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Modeldad 14th March 2019 15:50

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Originally Posted by Dénes Bernád (Post 266164)
This last one is a challenge for me. What type could it be?

With that long a tab, perhaps a Gotha Go 242/244. You can see where the trim tap mass balance horn was broken off.

Eduardo 14th March 2019 16:02

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No.
The Go-242 fin had a triangular shape.I’m trying to
Figure it out to.

Eduardo 14th March 2019 16:28

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Bv 141
Eduardo , maybe.

edwest2 14th March 2019 18:52

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It's a Go 242.


https://www.militaryfactory.com/airc...rcraft_id=1187

Snautzer 15th March 2019 11:51

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Pho...8AAOSwyMlcix2b

RudiS 15th March 2019 12:00

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Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 266173)

Spot on Ed & Modeldad. Thanks for identifying this one.

RudiS 15th March 2019 14:42

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-WWI...2/293007281702

Snautzer 16th March 2019 13:12

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FW190 https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-US-Phot...YAAOSwDQ1cjBgU


http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/pictur...&pictureid=623

Snautzer 16th March 2019 13:15

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  1. Ju87 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-82-V...gAAOSwf0hcRlHE
  2. Bu181 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-82-V...gAAOSwf0hcRlHE

RudiS 16th March 2019 15:28

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/EXC-WW2-CAN...gAAOSwbh9cik7l

ArtieBob 16th March 2019 16:46

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Don't have too much on Ju 88 G-6 W.Nr. 620506 except it was reportedly at Alhorn 12/45 and at Lubeck-Blankensee 1/45. No unit or other info.


ArtieBob

RudiS 16th March 2019 17:27

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Originally Posted by ArtieBob (Post 266257)
Don't have too much on Ju 88 G-6 W.Nr. 620506 except it was reportedly at Alhorn 12/45 and at Lubeck-Blankensee 1/45. No unit or other info.
ArtieBob

The print was made by a photoshop at Jever according to the stamp at the back of the photo. That might be a clue. IV/NJG3 was based at Jever from Dec 1944 till Mar 1945.

Snautzer 18th March 2019 12:44

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  1. Boneyard africa 1943 https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-LUFTWAF...4AAOSwOwNcjv1p

Modeldad 18th March 2019 17:05

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The white band around the wing near the end, bit not a white tip. Interesting. Is that BF 109 wing?
Explanations about the band?

Dénes Bernád 18th March 2019 17:08

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My eyes were caught by the same detail. By casually looking at it, it's an Fw 190 wing to me, but I might be wrong.

RudiS 18th March 2019 17:14

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Modeldad 18th March 2019 17:57

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The Ar 196A-5 (Wrk Nu 623183) was most likely photographed a Willow Grove NAS in Pennsylvania. It was from the Prince Eugen, test flown and left at the base in 1949.

It was subsequently sent to NAS Pensacola, but severely damaged. Not sure of current status.

The other Ar 196A-5 from the Prince Eugen is at the NASM.

Modeldad 18th March 2019 18:18

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Originally Posted by Dénes Bernád (Post 266331)
My eyes were caught by the same detail. By casually looking at it, it's an Fw 190 wing to me, but I might be wrong.

I believe you are correct, that does appear to be a Fw 190 wing. A quick search through my books does not turn up similar markings. Usually white wing tip area.

Col Bruggy 18th March 2019 19:15

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Originally Posted by Modeldad (Post 266335)
I believe you are correct, that does appear to be a Fw 190 wing. A quick search through my books does not turn up similar markings. Usually white wing tip area.

Hello,

Re: the white bands on the wing of the Fw 190. See: Focke-Wulf Fw 190 in North Africa/Arthy & Jessen/Classic,2004/pp.71 & 82 (colour profile of Lt Kurt Buehligen's Fw 190, 'White 1').

Col.

Modeldad 18th March 2019 23:04

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Hello,

Re: the white bands on the wing of the Fw 190. See: Focke-Wulf Fw 190 in North Africa/Arthy & Jessen/Classic,2004/pp.71 & 82 (colour profile of Lt Kurt Buehligen's Fw 190, 'White 1').

Col.

I have the book and I missed it! coded White 1+– 74/75/76. Yellow wing tip from the band out. Yellow under the cowl and yellow rudder. However, the under-cowl looks far darker (near black) than the wing tips and tail, and given the tips and under-cowl are in similar light. Could the under-cowl be red or painted out with RLM 70 or black? And could the spinner be white and red, as the back part is lighter than the 70 blades.

RudiS 19th March 2019 13:10

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Snautzer 19th March 2019 13:21

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Ju88 PI+SX Foggia I./KG76 welllen camo https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-Be...4AAOSwWTZckBTw

ArtieBob 19th March 2019 23:09

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I believe the W.Nr. for this aircraft was 300230, written off by the LW on 20.9.43. About a year ago there were several poor quality small images of this a/c on this thread.


ArtieBob

RudiS 20th March 2019 00:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ArtieBob (Post 266408)
I believe the W.Nr. for this aircraft was 300230, written off by the LW on 20.9.43. About a year ago there were several poor quality small images of this a/c on this thread.
ArtieBob

Yes, it's 300230. See Ed North's post 670 on page 67 of this thread.

RudiS 20th March 2019 12:17

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edwest2 20th March 2019 17:23

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I don't recall seeing a number on a tail band before.


Ed

ouidjat 20th March 2019 18:00

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Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 266431)
I don't recall seeing a number on a tail band before.
Ed

Are you kidding Ed? :)

Almost all JFS
and, in this case (eBay photo), 2.(H)/14 and/or 4.(H)/12 during DAK.
Difficult to say which one here if one don't know where and when.

Regards,
Franck.

Snautzer 22nd March 2019 13:31

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Me110 Africa https://www.dropbox.com/s/kfbxh1l3xd9aswu/me110_247_africa_wreck.jpg?dl=0

Marc-André Haldimann 22nd March 2019 13:53

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Fw 190 F-8 W.Nr. possibly 581443:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-US-Phot...sH1opnRrH_-Mc8

Cheers
Marc

RudiS 22nd March 2019 14:02

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This is the link to the auction:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-WW...S/382848144174

Marc-André Haldimann 25th March 2019 10:25

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Si 204 D-1 "DU+FF", Langensalza, April 1945.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-US-GI-...QAAOSwjedcmBGa
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-US-GI-...QAAOSwjMBcmBFc

Cheers
Marc

RudiS 25th March 2019 18:36

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RudiS 26th March 2019 14:44

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Can anyone identify these Ju 88's?


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Modeldad 26th March 2019 15:53

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I wonder if the first picture is of one of the "blue" Ju 88s at Foggia, similar to the one that landed in Switzerland. Much debate about the color, Michael Ullmann has come up with documentation about the use of Farbton 83 and it being a dark blue. The aircraft at Foggia, and their odd scheme, is also discussed by Merrick in column 2 of page 326 in Vol. 2 of Luftwaffe Camouflage and Markings 1933-1945, Classic Publications, 2005.

This is the aircraft that landed in Switzerland, with note from a source I do not recall.

WNr.550396 Ju88A-4 (ATG Leipzig) TK+SF / B3+MH. this Ju88A-4 that flew with 1./KG54? and landed in Dübendorf Switzerland on 21 Oct, 1943 after the crew had lost their bearings.

The aircraft was painted water-blue (unknown hue) on its upper surfaces throughout, upon which a wave-type pattern (sand yellow Nr.79) had been sprayed. The lower surfaces bore black night camouflage. The standard-size original Balkenkreutze were painted over probably with the same special type of camouflage and replaced by small crosses on fuselage and wings, outlined in white. The small Geschwader code “B3” was ahead of the Balkenkreutz and call and squadron letter were in standard size, being repeated on the flame suppressor tubes over the exhausts on both engines. The original black swastika with the black border was kept on the rudder but integrated into the wave pattern. The Geschwader emblem (a small coat of arms) appeared on both sides of the note.”

RudiS 27th March 2019 16:16

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Snautzer 28th March 2019 12:07

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  1. me 262 3+ ? https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-U-S-8th...sAAOSwMtJcl8jq
  2. Ju87 https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-U-S-8th...sAAOSwMtJcl8jq
  3. Ju87 https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-PHOTOGR...8AAOSw1lxcl~vD
  4. Ju88 schrage musik https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW2-Photo...AAAOSwTHlcmRVT

RudiS 28th March 2019 12:07

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Karoband 28th March 2019 12:42

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Thank you, Snautzer!

This is the first clear view I have seen of the Red 3 and the Death's Head Wappen on the fuselage of this aircraft.

Jim

Marc-André Haldimann 28th March 2019 12:43

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München-Riem; notice the Ar 234 just beyond the Si 204 A and Ju 88 G.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-photo-...oAAOSw4ylcnC2B

Cheers
Marc

edNorth 28th March 2019 13:07

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https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/WW2-Ori...e/273778088281


Ju 88 A-4/trop 550270 VM+PR / 4D+NN Foggia


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