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edNorth

28th March 2019 13:13

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modeldad (Post 266663)

I wonder if the first picture is of one of the "blue" Ju 88s at Foggia, similar to the one that landed in Switzerland. Much debate about the color, Michael Ullmann has come up with documentation about the use of Farbton 83 and it being a dark blue. The aircraft at Foggia, and their odd scheme, is also discussed by Merrick in column 2 of page 326 in Vol. 2 of Luftwaffe Camouflage and Markings 1933-1945, Classic Publications, 2005.

This is the aircraft that landed in Switzerland, with note from a source I do not recall.

WNr.550396 Ju88A-4 (ATG Leipzig) TK+SF / B3+MH. this Ju88A-4 that flew with 1./KG54? and landed in Dübendorf Switzerland on 21 Oct, 1943 after the crew had lost their bearings.

The aircraft was painted water-blue (unknown hue) on its upper surfaces throughout, upon which a wave-type pattern (sand yellow Nr.79) had been sprayed. The lower surfaces bore black night camouflage. The standard-size original Balkenkreutze were painted over probably with the same special type of camouflage and replaced by small crosses on fuselage and wings, outlined in white. The small Geschwader code “B3” was ahead of the Balkenkreutz and call and squadron letter were in standard size, being repeated on the flame suppressor tubes over the exhausts on both engines. The original black swastika with the black border was kept on the rudder but integrated into the wave pattern. The Geschwader emblem (a small coat of arms) appeared on both sides of the note.”

Please write Ju 88 A-4/trop (two spaces as dictated by RLM and is the correct designation)

OT

My sincere apologies to any TOCH! member customer abandoned midair by Wow air.
Ed

Modeldad

28th March 2019 16:43

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Quote:

Originally Posted by edNorth (Post 266737)

Please write Ju 88 A-4/trop (two spaces as ordered by RLM and is the correct designation)

OT

My sincere apologies to any TOCH! member customer abandoned midair by Wow air.
Ed

OMG I will cut off my hand. I noted that it was copied/paste from some other place, not my writing.

I do not follow Nazi RLM orders..

edNorth

28th March 2019 16:59

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Ok - I do not recommend so drastic action - But then you need also go back and use Junkers old original designation EF 59 (when Junkers was still private company and Hugo was defenetely NOT in the A-H. National-Socialist-Party.) because 88 was also an RLM allocation. Saying Nazi this and that is of course very naive, like sayin you won and therefore you can do whatever you like. Universally historians use Ju 88 and have no problem with the spelling. Nothing personal.

ouidjat

28th March 2019 17:35

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Hibernation is finished?...
Try to use the TOCH browser writing "Ju 88 A-4" .... before going back to sleep.

ouidjat

28th March 2019 17:37

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Quote:

Originally Posted by edNorth (Post 266735)

https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/WW2-Ori...e/273778088281

Ju 88 A-4/trop 550270 VM+PR / 4D+NN Foggia

Thanks very much Ed.

RudiS

29th March 2019 11:10

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Quote:

Originally Posted by edNorth (Post 266735)

https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/WW2-Ori...e/273778088281

Ju 88 A-4/trop 550270 VM+PR / 4D+NN Foggia

Thanks for the info, Ed. Very much appreciated.

RudiS

30th March 2019 15:17

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Karoband

30th March 2019 16:25

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Wow! An amazing set of photographs.

Thank you, Rudi.

Jim

RudiS

30th March 2019 16:31

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karoband (Post 266809)

Wow! An amazing set of photographs.

Thank you, Rudi.

Jim

My pleasure, Jim

Stig Jarlevik

30th March 2019 18:00

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

The shots of VH509 is most likely after receipt in Canada
Aircraft is known to have been at Downsview in 1952

Cheers
Stig

edwest2

30th March 2019 20:33

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I would like to know why it went to Canada.

Ed

Stig Jarlevik

30th March 2019 20:48

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Large numbers of so called War Prizes were distributed to all corners of the "Empire". Reason was probably to show many of them to the public while the more exotic types were used for testing etc.

Why Canada received at least two Me 262 was probably only for a show off.
None was made airworthy and tested as far as I know.

Cheers
Stig

edwest2

30th March 2019 21:30

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Thank you Stig.

RudiS

31st March 2019 03:22

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edwest2

31st March 2019 04:10

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1H (small) + G? (full size) ?

RudiS

31st March 2019 15:57

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ArtieBob

31st March 2019 23:11

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Re # 1694-Another image of this a/c in War Prizes, pg 103, before RAF markings. Reported as W.Nr. 190327, 1H+GT, Ju 188 A-2, although it appears most, if not all, Ju 188s in this sequence were A-3s. This would make sense, as it ended up at Gosport supposedly for torpedo dropping trials.

ArtieBob

Marc-André Haldimann

1st April 2019 10:31

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Quote:

Originally Posted by RudiS (Post 266849)

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Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 16 407 "Gelbe 6", 3./JG 53, La Marsa, Tunisia, May 1943.

Cheers
Marc

Snautzer

1st April 2019 13:22

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Ju88 radar ??+DN https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-photo-....c100005.m1851
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Snautzer

1st April 2019 13:39

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Hs 129 B-2 (WNr. 141407) St.Kz. PH+UQ, probably from Fliegerzielgeschwader 3, found abandoned damaged at Frankfurt-Rebstock after 8 May 1945. Information courtesy of Steve Sheflin

RudiS

2nd April 2019 13:27

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Marc-André Haldimann

3rd April 2019 10:44

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Quote:

Originally Posted by RudiS (Post 266955)

The second photo is "lifted from RIA-Novosti: it does show a WNF built Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. unknown "Schwarzer Doppelwinkel kleine Weisse 2", possibly from the Gruppenkommandeur of I./JG 52, possibly at Raudnitz, after 17 April 1945. Source: photo Yevgueni Khaldei, RIA-Novosti.

Cheers
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann

3rd April 2019 10:59

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Ju 88 G "??+DN", possibly V./NJG 2, whilst being removed from the Hofoldinger Forst on the Autobahn Munich-Salzuburg:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-photo-...MAAOSwijdcoXk9

Simon Schatz

3rd April 2019 12:39

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 266997)

Hi Marc, this is one of three photographs I know from that plane. I was told that these photographs were made somewhere south of Vienna.

Cheers, Simon

Marc-André Haldimann

3rd April 2019 13:04

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon Schatz (Post 267004)

Hi Marc, this is one of three photographs I know from that plane. I was told that these photographs were made somewhere south of Vienna.

Cheers, Simon

Thanks Simon, this is a real novelty then ! I would love to hear more from that location... Another Schatten Flugfeld ?

Cheers
Marc

strahljaeger

3rd April 2019 14:04

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Hi Marc-André,

DN not seen in the scrapyard at Brunnthal.

Regards
Matthias

lumabe

3rd April 2019 18:34

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Hello,
It's seems we can see a yellow band around the engine cover. This yellow band was painted on the planes of Luftflotte 4 ( Lfl.Kdo.4 ) on the nose and on the tail. Only II/JG 52 had these yellow band. Not I and III/JG 52.
Erich Hartmann was the GruppenKommandeur of I/JG 52
But if this plane was from II/JG 52, maybe it was the plane of Wilhelm Batz. But an other plane with the same Gruppen marking of II/JG 52 existed at Neubiberg at May 1945. It was a Bf 109 K-4.

Best regards,
Lumabe

Roger Gaemperle

4th April 2019 09:59

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Snautzer

4th April 2019 13:39

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Modeldad

4th April 2019 16:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Snautzer (Post 267062)

Ar196 https://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-WW...sAAOSwXIFcjmT2

Previously posted on 18 March, Post #1656

The Ar 196 A-5 (Wrk Nu 623183) was most likely photographed a Willow Grove NAS in Pennsylvania. It was from the Prince Eugen, test flown and left at the base in 1949.

It was subsequently sent to NAS Pensacola, but severely damaged. Not sure of current status.

The other Ar 196 A-5 from the Prince Eugen is at the NASM.

RudiS

4th April 2019 16:47

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Marc-André Haldimann

4th April 2019 19:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Gaemperle (Post 267057)

Thanks for those, Roger !

The first photo shows Fw 190 A-6 W.Nr. 530 937 "TH+RU". i wonder which Munich airfield this is.

2nd and 4th photos do show possibly a WNF built refurbished Bf 109 G-14 which W.Nr. 510 014 might be stencilled just under the windscreen , the three last digits "014" repeated with bigger numerals below.

A brilliant find, the more so because - to my knowledge - nothing is known about an Reparaturwerft in Linz so far.

Cheers
Marc

Gerhard

5th April 2019 02:17

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 267078)

Thanks for those, Roger !

The first photo shows Fw 190 A-6 W.Nr. 530 937 "TH+RU". i wonder which Munich airfield this is.

It is Oberwiesenfeld.

Gerhard

Marc-André Haldimann

5th April 2019 08:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerhard (Post 267097)

It is Oberwiesenfeld.

Gerhard

Many thanks, Gerhard !

Cheers
Marc

lumabe

5th April 2019 12:54

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Please note TH+RU had the smal "th" letter like this "th+RU". Witch unit used this code ? I saw an other plane, a Fw 190 S-5 or S-8 at Bad Aibling with the code: BW+WC wrote like this : " BW+wc ' and yellow "27". Also a Ff 190 with small "vs+??".

Any idea about this unit ? Maybe a training unit ?

Best regards,
Lumabe.

S Sheflin

5th April 2019 16:14

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Hello Everyone,
Lumabe is correct.
Regarding photo #1712, Fw 190 A-6 TH+RU, although not visible in this photo, it also features a yellow number 15 aft of its codes.
It is another in a series of at least ten Fw 190A-4, A-5, A-6, A-8 and S-8 versions that feature similar forms of markings: a St.Kz. where the first two letters are approximately 1/3 size, followed by a large yellow numeral behind.
Its right-wingtip-mounted-pitot tube, lack of lower wing coloring also suggests that it is a rebuilt airframe.
I currently have no idea of a unit for these aircraft.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

ChristianK

5th April 2019 19:51

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Given the location of all these Fw 190s (airfields in and around Munich) and the large number of rather odd variants my best guess would be IV./EJG 1.

RudiS

7th April 2019 16:08

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RudiS

8th April 2019 16:51

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