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Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

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Originally Posted by ouidjat (Post 240652)

Thanks Guys,

#423 no WNr. known but place is Starnberg. We can see Starnberg's lake in background.
#427. Yep.... Only problem, this photo depict a "Winkel Schwarze (or another colour) 2", not "Winkel schwarze 1"...

Cheers
Franck.

Correct; it is a "Winkel kleine 2" indeed. It is thus the third Stab JG 53 Bf 109 K-4 known. Besides Lt Bernhard's "kleine 1"found at Kaufbeuren, we have also "Winkel kleine 5" found at Vilseck:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7631641027059/

Cheers
Marc

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Not captured but used for a movie in 1940.

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

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Originally Posted by ouidjat (Post 240653)

Thank You Heuser.

We just have to hope the listed "G" were, effectively, "G" subtype leaving only one K-4 .. if not ... :)

Thank you too for Erfurt listing.

Cheers,
Franck.

Franck, there are some "if'"; there is no visible Werknummer on these fotos nor an exact location, but mentioned one are from CEAR No. 269, dated 30.03.1945.

Well - AFAIK, the Alliied have identified K-4's as such in only a very few cases, often these are mentioned as G-6, G-10 or G-14 in the CEAR and Technical Intelligence Reports known to me.
I assume that the K-4 did not have a identification plate as known from older versions. A positive identification is only possible if the Werkummer is listed in these reports. F.e., there are 17 Werknummern of K-4s in a Report of Wertheim a/f , al listed as G-14.

Regards,

Heuser

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

That is the well known Neubiberg Me 262 onto which later a Hungarian Bf 109 was dropped.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/NAJN8JTZ6...JfGoo1_500.jpg

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Hi Rudi, yes 111728 Cheers Roger