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Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Is this a Fw 190 F WNr 428372?
Anyone who knows where?

Cheers
Stig

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Nice!!!
Thank you Rudi.

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Kecay's "Captured Butcherbirds" has another photo (most likely) of this Fw 190 on page 100, while it was still rather intact. There are some small differences, hence the 'most likely', but Kecay indicate as W.Nr. 586372 (not readable in the photo they show), which is close enough to think it could be one and the same aircraft. Tactical code was Black 8. Location indicated by Kecay is Mannheim-Sandhofen.

Cheers,
Roger

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Originally Posted by spektor (Post 267410)

Nice!!!
Thank you Rudi.

My pleasure.

https://7exy4q.dm.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none

Roger, it doesn't really look like it's 586372. Looks more like 426372 or 428372. I have asked the seller. Wait and see.

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I agree, I think the Kecay book got it wrong from their photo that was not fully in focus, but I believe they are the same aircraft.

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Arado-built Fw 190 F-9 (WNr. 428372), marked 8+ - black from an unknown II./SG unit, and found abandoned at Fl.Horst Mannheim-Sandhofen (coordinates 49.561111 8.463889).
Interestingly, when first captured is sported a natural metal cowling. Apparently, it has received a darkly-painted replacement.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

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426192 indeed

Rémi

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Originally Posted by S Sheflin (Post 267442)

Thank You Steve

That clinches it!

Cheers
Stig

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Originally Posted by Roger Gaemperle (Post 267430)

Better quality of this photo is in Flugzeug Profile No.9 Focke Wulf FW 190, page 32.
Probably Kecay used a copy from this source.

Have a nice day.
Ľubo.

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Thanks Rudi
(for Gelbe 16) ;)

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https://7ewppw.dm.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none

https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-photo-...2/153455699123

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Hi there RudiS,

Among your finds are two fine photos of Mtt built Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 16 531 "KT+DE" "Gelbe 16", Uffz. Gerhard Gorrisch, 9./JG 27, near La Sebala, Tunisia, May 1943.

Thanks as always fro your finds.
Marc

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

#1729:
This is a better scan of the photo of the Bf 109. Courtesy of the seller.https://higrna.dm.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Thanks Rudi, very much !
You are a nice guy posting it here ! I'm not sure to have seen this Emil before. Need to check though.

Regards,
Franck.

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The seller is located in Rumania...

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Hello,

to #1741:
according to the KG 26 chronicle "Achtung – Torpedos los" and "A History of the Mediterranean Air War 1940-1945" Vol. 4 the Ju 88 A-4 144662 1H+CS of 9./KG 26 was lost in combat over Nettuno on 26 Jan 1944. The crew Oblt Werner Konrad, Ofw Helmut Fischer, Ogefr Wolfgang Hamacher and Obgefr Walter Fritzel was taken prisoner.

Regards
Leo

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Thanks for the info, Leo. Very much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Rottler (Post 268047)

Hello, to #1741:
according to the KG 26 chronicle "Achtung – Torpedos los" and "A History of the Mediterranean Air War 1940-1945" Vol. 4 the Ju 88 A-4 144662 1H+CS of 9./KG 26 was lost in combat over Nettuno on 26 Jan 1944. The crew Oblt Werner Konrad, Ofw Helmut Fischer, Ogefr Wolfgang Hamacher and Obgefr Walter Fritzel was taken prisoner.
Regards
Leo

This was Ju 88 A-14 Torp W.Nr. 0144662 but code appears be 1H+OF on that photo. But code does not make sense for that period, Jan 44.

Except some dude did show up with fresh black paint and change it, if not, then I say RAF intel - A.I.1(g) Report (dated 10.07.44) where code comes from - be fauty.

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Reference to post 1741. The fuselage code appears to me to be 1F+CE.

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Both Eds give valid points regarding the code seen on this aircraft.
However, if we take into account a certain wrinkling and cracking during the crash landing the last two letters could actually be CS if we also consider that somewhat angular templets could have been used.

Reading codes (serial numbers) on crashed aircraft are notoriously difficult.

Cheers
Stig

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Thanks Rudi.
A brand new photo - at least for me - the second one - of that E-7/Trop of Jabogruppe Afrika.
Eventually I./Sch.G 2

Here we can see its complete former unit marking: S9+CC of 8./ZG1. Correction S9+CS.
Other photo in Prien's JFV Teil8.I page 361.

"Schwarze 15" a G-4/Trop of 5./JG53, Comiso, July 1943.

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Thanks for the info, Franck. Very much appreciated.

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Re#1741: I agree with Stig that the most likely code was 1H+CS, as there are documented occasions where Staffels used an aircraft with another Staffel's code and I feel the "Achtung-Torpedo Los" to be a well researched book. I believe
that Ed North is correct on the sub-type, A-14, as it appears a Kutonase was installed. The listing of A-14s as A-4s seems to be a common mistake in some Luftwaffe documents, so even primary documents can be wrong on this
minor point.

ArtieBob

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Originally Posted by ouidjat (Post 268177)

Thanks Rudi.
A brand new photo - at least for me - the second one - of that E-7/Trop of Jabogruppe Afrika.
Eventually I./Sch.G 2

Here we can see its complete former unit marking: S9+CC of 8./ZG1.
Other photo in Prien's JFV Teil8.I page 361.

"Schwarze 15" a G-4/Trop of 5./JG53, Comiso, July 1943.

S9+CC ?

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/make...-zg-1--1129177

OK, not the greatest reference, but the company must have based their research on something.

Col.

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Originally Posted by Col Bruggy (Post 268198)

S9+CC ?

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/make...-zg-1--1129177

OK, not the greatest reference, but the company must have based their research on something.

Col.

Completely Col
You are totally right and obviously it's a bad reading.
When taking a deep breath I can read C9+CS on this new picture, too, not S9+CC.
And since the last code letters were R, S & T for 7, 8 & 9 Staffel respectively ...
My mistake. I'll try to not repeat it :)
Thanks again.

Regards,
Franck.

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