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Hello Tom,


PN+LE is wrong. The SKZ given by Eric are the right ones.
There are more a/c with TN+L on the following pages.
The Aslau plant was used by Fw, not by AGO.
Unfortunately I have no SKZ in this block, but according to the time of manufacture it may be A-8 from the block 350xxx.
Regards
Dirk

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Neither have I. But with the Luftwaffe, anything is possible. Is it not impossible that that a stab symbol has been placed on the rudder? Is it so difficult to understand?

Fucks sake!!!

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Hi Dirk - Post 1721 - Thanks for putting me back on track. My Stkz info in the PN+L series is valid but not in this respect of the Spremberg Flugbuch data. I have had another 'closer' look and can now see that it should read as TN+LE. I have no extra copies that give any more Stkz in the TN+L series so any chance in seeing these to expand the series range. Thanks. I have had a look at the Fw190A-8 W/Nr.range of 350... for FW at Aslau and there are not that many but I could be wrong - 350151 to 350300. These include Stkz ranges of VI+Q and CS+I series of Fw 190 prototypes
Thanks again - Tom

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Okay,
does one fellow member know another example of He 111, Ju 88 ... wearing a Stab symbol on rudder ? :)
Regards,
Franck.

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Smithsonian German Fighter Manual Listings https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/thread.../#post-1562448


Smithsonian German Fighter Manual Listings

Bf 109 F G K Me 209 210 262 410
Fw 190 A B C D F G Ta 152 Me 109 209 309
Fw 190 A B C D F G Ta 152 Me 109 209 309 Fw190D and F Fw254 Ta152 Ta154 Me109K Me209


samples



https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attach...02-jpg.585210/




https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attach...01-jpg.585209/

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flugzeu...YAAOSwWVxe57cE


https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/h4YAA...cE/s-l1600.jpg

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That is NOT the point, Franck! Can you not see that?

It is a TO symbol normally seen on 109s, but that symbol is seen here on a He 111 rudder. A potential 'one-off', or a marking not previously seen. THAT is the point!

Jeez, how much more explaining do I have to give you!!!

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I think it is a He-111, and I have seen them mark the stab planes as in that picture before. Stab planes can have markings were you would least expect them.

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No, I don't see the point.


Sure it looks like a TO marking,
Sure, one can't say "always" or "never" talking about the Lw.
You just explain something no one have seen before.
You're just better than any other one here.


Bravo.

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Could someone please advise what we are looking at? Can't see any known German helicopter in that photo.

Cheers
Stig

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#1733
https://www.ebay.de/itm/A458-Foto-We...MAAOSwCqJe39zg

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Sorry René, I don't follow you.
I am not asking about the controversial Heinkel, I am asking about a contraption listed by the seller as a Flettner 282 helicopter...

Cheers
Stig

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THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT, THAT YOU HAVE FINALLY GRASPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And this kind of piss-taking: "...You're just better than any other one here..." is not acceptable, especially when you act the twat in multiple posts...

I really don't know why you have gone on, and on, and on, and on... when it was patently clear from my first post what I was pointing out. Or do you just like to argue for something to do...?

You've been absolutely pointless in this discussion. Congratulations on making a complete arsehole of yourself!

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What's funny in this conversation is:


1/ You do take that long to insult people (did I ?Ever ? along my 35-- posts ?)
2/ You still didn't get my first question and, indeed, never answered to it.


Have a nice day John.

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Regarding the TO, time to time we find, for the fighter units in the losses some TO, but for the Stuka or Bomber units quite never, maybe because TO didn't flew, or so seldomly that ...they are keen to fix their mark on the plane, nd for bombers only place suitable the fin



Rémi

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Your post #1720: "...Yes, I DO SEE the connection John..."

So what is your problem?

And when you act like a twat, you deserve everything that comes at you. So stop acting like one, and you might get a bit more respect.

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Good luck with convincing a certain someone with that, Rémi!

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Now, I DO understand why so much people, here there fought with you John .. and don't respect you, indeed.

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It's the Breguet-Dorand Gyroplane Laboratoire.

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John,

Just what do you think you deserve when you're so ready to be angry with and curse out other forum members? They may in your view not achieve a sufficient standard of analytical acuity — does anyone? — but that's no reason not observe some elementary courtesy when posting. You too might get a bit more respect, which your research and writing unquestionably merit, were you less inclined to go on the attack.

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Ahhh

Thanks Steve!! :) That made my day!!
Nothing rusty with your identification skills

I was never really any good with these early helicopters, but it sure wasn't German....

Cheers
Stig

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OK, Nick, let's look at the WHOLE conversation, eh?

Originally Posted by edwest2 http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/images...s/viewpost.gif
Can you explain the chevron with a circle marking on the tail? It is new to me.

Originally Posted by ouidjat http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/images...s/viewpost.gif
That is (my) the question Ed. Never seen too.

Originally Posted by John Vasco http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/images...s/viewpost.gif
On 109s, the chevron-circle was the maring(sic - I missed the 'k' out) of the Technical Officer, placed forward of the fuselage cross.
That's all I can think of it - the aircraft of the TO.
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OK, let's pause there, Nick. I posted a reasonable suggestion as to the 'chevron-circle'.
No one has the definitive answer. I simply posted a suggestion.
OK so far.

Then this:
Originally Posted by ouidjat http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/images...s/viewpost.gif
Thanks John,
Yes, but that wasn't my question.

What? You asked about the chevron and circle, and I posted a suggestion.

I then posted, again in a reasonable manner:
Originally Posted by John Vasco http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/images...s/viewpost.gif
The point I was making, Franck, was that what is known as the TO's marking on 109s might also be equally applicable to that He 111. Do you not see the connection?
The response, and the introduction of capital letters:
Originally Posted by ouidjat http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/images...s/viewpost.gif
Yes, I DO SEE the connection John but "IS THAT SYMBOL ON HE 111 RUDDER A REALLY STAB SYMBOL" or another thing with another meaning since I never seen stab symbol on bombers' rudders.
Is it so difficult to understand ?

Do you see where this is going, Nick...? I give a simple possible explanation, and the guy keeps coming back at me. Do I just sit back and take being made out to be a fool?

My response:
Originally Posted by John Vasco http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/images...s/viewpost.gif
Neither have I. But with the Luftwaffe, anything is possible. Is it not impossible that that a stab symbol has been placed on the rudder? Is it so difficult to understand?
Fucks sake!!!

The capitals, and the questioning of whether something is difficult to understand is basically an insult to my intelligence, and my attempt to try to make sense of that marking on the rudder. Hence my bolded and underlined sentence, and my last two words of exasperation. I offer a reasonable suggestion, and he continues to take a rise out of me. Well, if one does that, I do not cower down and acquiesce.

Then he posts this:
Originally Posted by ouidjat http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/images...s/viewpost.gif
Okay,
does one fellow member know another example of He 111, Ju 88 ... wearing a Stab symbol on rudder ? :)
Regards,
Franck.

Now if you look back to his original post regarding the chevron-circle, that wasn't his original question. This encompasses his original question: edwest2"...Can you explain the chevron with a circle marking on the tail? It is new to me. Originally Posted by ouidjat That is (my) the question Ed..."
My reply:
That is NOT the point, Franck! Can you not see that?
It is a TO symbol normally seen on 109s, but that symbol is seen here on a He 111 rudder. A potential 'one-off', or a marking not previously seen. THAT is the point!
Jeez, how much more explaining do I have to give you!!!

Originally Posted by ouidjat http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/images...s/viewpost.gif
No, I don't see the point.
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I'll just leave it there at this point.

If you think I'm the baddie, or the shit-stirrer in this, then fine, there's nothing I can do to change that. But go read the exchange again from the top of this post. If someone insults me on here (or tries to take a rise out of me) or anywhere else, it ain't a free pass for them...

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[quote=John Vasco;290707]OK, Nick, let's look at the WHOLE conversation, eh?
/QUOTE]

No, let's not. Life's too short.

[quote=John Vasco;290707]If someone insults me on here (or tries to take a rise out of me) or anywhere else, it ain't a free pass for them.../QUOTE]

It's eminently possible to respond to real or imagined slights (or posts that you find exasperating) without immediate recourse to fury. As far as I have a policy in moderating this forum it's that it's not a place to fight, so if you or anyone else wants to shout and swear at someone, take it off-board please.

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[quote=Nick Beale;290709][quote=John Vasco;290707]OK, Nick, let's look at the WHOLE conversation, eh?
/QUOTE]

No, let's not. Life's too short.

I see not one word of reprimand to the initial protagonist, Nick. Think about that - READ who was the initial protagonist. Instead you say you won't. Well that's a real good way to administer a site - NOT! You should be ashamed of yourself for even posting that!

Not the first time you have gone against me. What is your problem with me?

I really must seriously question as to whether I should provide any further information or suggestions on here as long as you are one of the Admins. Unfortunately, I have to say you do not work on an even-handed basis, but in a biased way. And that is obvious to anyone who reads these last couple of pages...

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[quote=Nick Beale;290709]

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I cannot tell you how much I value your input, Clint. Was there anything you wanted to add about the thread topic, German interest photos on ebay?

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;)

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/Staffelabzei...IAAOSw6Spe7aqj


https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/aRIAA...aqj/s-l500.jpg

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/ORIGINAL-FOT...AAAOSwZIxe7Rc3


https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/fFAAA...c3/s-l1600.jpg

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-abgestu...IAAOSwBDpe7Pd0


Krasny-Bor-Russland Whats with the H in the band??


https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/j7IAA...d0/s-l1600.jpg

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I believe that may indicate it is with a Schlact unit.

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Regarding the H, I was looking for the triangle to indicate a ground support aircraft, or the infantryman's badge. But neither is visible.

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hello,
ju87 code number
https://delcampe-static.net/img_larg...87_001.jpg?v=5
cdlt
Joël

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