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edwest2 26th October 2021 17:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BABIN (Post 311499)
Hello,

The second photo shows a prototype of Me 262 (V555), in a "bombardment" version. On May 8, 1945 his pilot, Oblt. Benz, took off from Saaz airfield at 7:55 p.m. to voluntarily land (belly landing), 30 minutes later, on the too short runway of the American-occupied Weimar-Nohra airfield. In addition to the pilot, the Me 262 carried two other aviators, slipped into the glass nose of the plane: Ofw. Olbroth and Ofw. Karl Nitschke, both from Aufklärungsgruppe 100 (1. (F) / 100).

Pierre
Pierre,

Can you explain what you mean by "bombardment" version in reference to this aircraft? In the nose section, there were mounted two unusual "antennas." Do you know anything about these?

Best,
Ed

richdlc 26th October 2021 18:50
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V484 and V555 were converted to a bomber with a cabin in the nose for an extra bombardier who lay in a supine position, flying the aircraft during the final approach. V555 was converted in January 1945, test flights began in February. Besides the glass nose, a new autopilot, the 'Baldrian' acoustic radar and windshield heating was tested.

edwest2 26th October 2021 19:42
Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Baldrian acoustic radar. I cannot identify this radar type. Do you know of a reference document?

Best,
Ed

Rottler 26th October 2021 20:12
Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 311668)
Pierre,

Can you explain what you mean by "bombardment" version in reference to this aircraft? In the nose section, there were mounted two unusual "antennas." Do you know anything about these?

Best,
Ed
Hello Ed,

here a quote from Luftwaffe im Focus Edition No 3:
The aircraft was built in Schwäbisch-Hall and was delivered as the Me 262 V11, Werknummer 110555, manufacturer’s code NN+HE. Ist first flight as an A-1a was made on 25 November 1944. In late November-early December the aircraft was converted into the Me 262 A-2a/U2 “V555“, the prototype of an experimental bomber version of the Me 262. A Lotfe 7H bombsight, a Lotfe-Kanzel II glazed nose and a K-22 autopilot were installed in the aircraft. The conversion work was probably completed by 10 December 1944. Only two prototypes of the high-speed bomber variant of the Me 262 were built and tested. After 22 test flights, in the spring of 1945 the V555 was assigned to an operational unit, however there is some uncertainty as to which unit. Some claim that it, like the second conversion, the V484, was flown by NAG 6 in the final weeks of the war. The other, more likely scenario ist hat the V555 was transferred to 1.(F)/100, which was based in Lechfeld in early April 1945.
The place in the aircraft’s glazed nose was normally occupied by a second crewmember who operated the Lotfe 7H bombsight.

Regards
Leo

edwest2 26th October 2021 20:14
Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Hello Leo,

Thank you for this additional information.

Best,
Ed

RudiS 26th October 2021 22:32
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https://i.ibb.co/vV3T2JM/Si-204-61.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/14426342577...kAAOSwR6Rhd~~H

Jaroslav Mazanec 27th October 2021 05:56
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https://i.imgur.com/p5HjAlu.jpg
https://www.ebay.com/itm/38446458314...YAAOSwoCBhdv06

https://i.imgur.com/U0Z3Ume.jpg
https://www.ebay.com/itm/39364963548...EAAOSw-eZhdvzZ

BABIN 27th October 2021 10:42
Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 311668)
Pierre,

Can you explain what you mean by "bombardment" version in reference to this aircraft? In the nose section, there were mounted two unusual "antennas." Do you know anything about these?

Best,
Ed

Ello Ed,

I did a mistake about the word "bombardment". I think the correct word, in english, is "bombing". But the Me 262 "V 555" was really a "bombing version", just used for test flights.

Information I have about this plane comes directly from one of the 3 aviators on the V 555 : Ofw. Karl Nitschke. I met him in 2008 and he gave me much information about his military career. I could copy, too, his flugbuch, a wonderful flugbuch, so precise and so complete, with all his comments ! In my book about the Wekusta 2, I related as precisely as possible, his military career, from October 1937 to 8th of May 1945.


Concerning the other question you asked me (2 unusual antennas), I have no information. Nevertheless, I really appreciated what Leo (Rottler) told you about V 555.

And I take the opportunity of this thread to warmly thank you for all that you bring to us, the Toch forumers, by your daily photos and comments.


Pierre

Roger Gaemperle 27th October 2021 16:59
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Has anybody - by any chance - saved the auction description? I am interested in what unit the soldier served with as this may give a clue about the location of this photo.

richdlc 27th October 2021 18:30
Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rottler (Post 311679)
Hello Ed,

here a quote from Luftwaffe im Focus Edition No 3:
The aircraft was built in Schwäbisch-Hall and was delivered as the Me 262 V11, Werknummer 110555, manufacturer’s code NN+HE. Ist first flight as an A-1a was made on 25 November 1944. In late November-early December the aircraft was converted into the Me 262 A-2a/U2 “V555“, the prototype of an experimental bomber version of the Me 262. A Lotfe 7H bombsight, a Lotfe-Kanzel II glazed nose and a K-22 autopilot were installed in the aircraft. The conversion work was probably completed by 10 December 1944. Only two prototypes of the high-speed bomber variant of the Me 262 were built and tested. After 22 test flights, in the spring of 1945 the V555 was assigned to an operational unit, however there is some uncertainty as to which unit. Some claim that it, like the second conversion, the V484, was flown by NAG 6 in the final weeks of the war. The other, more likely scenario ist hat the V555 was transferred to 1.(F)/100, which was based in Lechfeld in early April 1945.
The place in the aircraft’s glazed nose was normally occupied by a second crewmember who operated the Lotfe 7H bombsight.

Regards
Leo
yes, go with this info - much more accurate than mine


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