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AndyMa 26th December 2021 18:28

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Post 1919 # 4
Could this be Blenheim P6901 of 40 Sqn, lost on 10 May 40 on a raid to Ypenburg?
Two of the crew were killed, the other taken POW.

edwest2 27th December 2021 01:05

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/313799219635...cAAOSwQ5xhvwv~
Off topic
https://www.ebay.de/itm/363661706873...oAAOSwIQhhvvoj

edwest2 27th December 2021 22:49

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/313809484190...MAAOSw2ghhyf3V

paulmcmillan 28th December 2021 11:21

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#1923

29-MAY-1940
Hawker Hurricane Mk 1
56 Sqn
N2659 US-T

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/228559

marco392 28th December 2021 16:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by paulmcmillan (Post 314309)
#1923

29-MAY-1940
Hawker Hurricane Mk 1
56 Sqn
N2659 US-T

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/228559

That's correct Paul,

I know 4 other photos of that Hurri

Mariusz

AndyMa 28th December 2021 17:25

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Out of interest, is the serial N2659 clearly visible on any of your photos Mariusz?

marco392 28th December 2021 18:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyMa (Post 314328)
Out of interest, is the serial N2659 clearly visible on any of your photos Mariusz?

Andy,
give me @ I will send you
M.

edwest2 30th December 2021 01:40

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  1. https://www.ebay.de/itm/234355665500...EAAOSwjChhzDoU
  2. https://www.ebay.de/itm/284587543889...wAAOSw4sRhy3bF
  3. https://www.ebay.de/itm/284587543229...gAAOSwd1Bhy3Wr
  4. https://www.ebay.de/itm/284587541427...sAAOSw1Tphy2Mh
  5. https://www.ebay.de/itm/393830317541...oAAOSwylRhy2wA
  6. https://www.ebay.de/itm/373843165568...8AAOSwp0Rhy2v-

AndyMa 30th December 2021 13:30

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#1 is Battle K9485 of 105 Sqn, shot down on 12 May 40. All three crew were killed
#5 I feel I ought to recognise Blenheim RT-(L?) of 114 Sqn, but it eludes me. Anyone?

Martin Gleeson 30th December 2021 22:45

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Ed, Andy

#5 and 6 are photos of two interesting Blenheims. I cannot prove it for certain but I believe the location is Crecy airfield and that the Blenheims are in adjoining fields, based on some other photos that I have seen.

#5 is N6146 RT-L, formerly of 114 Squadron and handed over to 18 Squadron on 19 May 1940 - who promptly abandoned it at Crecy. From memory 18 Squadron had a shortage of pilots to evacuate their own Blenheims to England on the 19th and 20th. RT-L is more commonly seen in photos in various states of wreckage in a wood, probably the one in the background, but only one photo clearly showed the serial as N6146. The Form 78 records its last owner as 82 Squadron, but this is an error.

#6 is an 18 Squadron aircraft based on the unit code, and also seems to be at Crecy. I have not seen a serial on any image of it but one could maybe make out 'L....' on one photo. Note the wood in the background. Another old EBay photo seems to show what looks like a Blenheim in the field behind it, possibly N6146 RT-L above in #5. All that said it is known that Blenheim L9191 of 18 Squadron crashed on landing at Crecy early on May 19th. So very likely this photo shows L9191. If only we could see the serial in a clearer image ! Hopefully one will turn up some day.

These two photos do help to identify a little more these two aircraft. Thanks Ed.

Regards,

Martin Gleeson.

paulmcmillan 31st December 2021 11:39

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Martin Agree #6 is an L....

AndyMa 31st December 2021 13:58

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Martin,
Thanks for the extra information. N6146 was not SOC until 1 Nov 41 according to the Air-Britain serials book, so it must have taken them a while to realise it had been lost.
Andy

edwest2 1st January 2022 23:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Gleeson (Post 314452)
Ed, Andy

#5 and 6 are photos of two interesting Blenheims. I cannot prove it for certain but I believe the location is Crecy airfield and that the Blenheims are in adjoining fields, based on some other photos that I have seen.

#5 is N6146 RT-L, formerly of 114 Squadron and handed over to 18 Squadron on 19 May 1940 - who promptly abandoned it at Crecy. From memory 18 Squadron had a shortage of pilots to evacuate their own Blenheims to England on the 19th and 20th. RT-L is more commonly seen in photos in various states of wreckage in a wood, probably the one in the background, but only one photo clearly showed the serial as N6146. The Form 78 records its last owner as 82 Squadron, but this is an error.

#6 is an 18 Squadron aircraft based on the unit code, and also seems to be at Crecy. I have not seen a serial on any image of it but one could maybe make out 'L....' on one photo. Note the wood in the background. Another old EBay photo seems to show what looks like a Blenheim in the field behind it, possibly N6146 RT-L above in #5. All that said it is known that Blenheim L9191 of 18 Squadron crashed on landing at Crecy early on May 19th. So very likely this photo shows L9191. If only we could see the serial in a clearer image ! Hopefully one will turn up some day.

These two photos do help to identify a little more these two aircraft. Thanks Ed.

Regards,

Martin Gleeson.






You're welcome Martin.




Best,
Ed

edwest2 1st January 2022 23:57

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  1. https://www.ebay.de/itm/393836261633...8AAOSwlephz2hO
  2. https://www.ebay.de/itm/393836255890...kAAOSwP7hhz2cj
  3. https://www.ebay.de/itm/393836145042...kAAOSw7dthz05K
  4. https://www.ebay.de/itm/393836143518...AAAOSwcZ1hz04O
  5. https://www.ebay.de/itm/393836142629...8AAOSwxKFhz03S
  6. https://www.ebay.de/itm/363674445389...8AAOSwyvJhzws0
  7. https://www.ebay.de/itm/393836142051...oAAOSwjOhhz02W
  8. https://www.ebay.de/itm/403386011912...kAAOSwUYphzwrU
  9. https://www.ebay.de/itm/265476949105...IAAOSwNgxhxNL-
  10. https://www.ebay.de/itm/115163246333...4AAOSwcuRhzX0T
  11. https://www.ebay.de/itm/115160755123...UAAOSwUwxhyzUa
  12. https://www.ebay.de/itm/115163254672...QAAOSwTwJhzYCO
  13. https://www.ebay.de/itm/125076302404...AAAOSwAa9hzYLQ

marco392 2nd January 2022 13:37

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overturned Hurricane - I think I saw other views of that Hurri
https://www.ebay.de/itm/15477510...uXxhz0ZW

AndyMa 2nd January 2022 15:19

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Another set of interesting images Ed.

#8 is Spitfire K9964/SH-W of 64 Sqn, which forced landed at Calais on 15 Aug 40 - pilot POW
#10 is Battle L5234/PM-B of 103 Sqn, abandoned at Bétheniville in May 40.
#11 is Battle K9273/HA-R of 218 Sqn, abandoned at Auberive in May 40. Other photos of this show the serial clearly.

edwest2 2nd January 2022 19:58

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/403388954149...0AAOSwR9Zh0aGw
https://www.ebay.de/itm/363676524754...QAAOSwKMJh0aFH
https://www.ebay.de/itm/363676522302...8AAOSwIMZh0Z~7

edwest2 3rd January 2022 00:36

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/363676534737...gAAOSwtKhh0aW6

AndyMa 3rd January 2022 12:16

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3 of the 4 in the previous two posts are described as being taken in France.
They of course show Belgian aircraft (Fiat CR.42, Fairey Firefly etc)

Tom Willis 3rd January 2022 12:42

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Post 1939
Many Belgian a/c did flee to French airfields

Stig Jarlevik 3rd January 2022 13:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Willis (Post 314609)
Post 1939
Many Belgian a/c did flee to French airfields

Indeed Tom

However both R-21 and R-27 (CR.42) were heavily damaged in a Stuka attack on Nivelles airfield 10 May 1940
The two Morane 230 seems to be inside the same hangar at the same airfield. Unfortunately their (or is it one and the same?) tail numbers are not readable.

Cheers
Stig

AndyMa 3rd January 2022 18:35

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Yes, perhaps I should have been more specific. These images were taken in Belgium, as Stig says.

Bertrand H 3rd January 2022 21:14

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Thanks Ed ; #1938_1

A quick look of Avions Hors-série N° 18 L’Aéronautique Militaire belge en mai-juin 1940 by
Peter Taghon page 64 certainly show the right side of Ms236 n°7

edwest2 4th January 2022 23:35

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You're welcome Bertrand.


https://www.ebay.de/itm/393843954519...EAAOSwSYFh1HaK
https://www.ebay.de/itm/393843958426...YAAOSw3MJh1Hbj
https://www.ebay.de/itm/373851164139...wAAOSw-Nph1Hbv

edwest2 5th January 2022 22:11

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/294688876610...UAAOSwrqth1GDj
https://www.ebay.de/itm/224775831715...QAAOSwoJxh1Xr6
https://www.ebay.de/itm/115171209068...8AAOSwp45h1eW8

edwest2 7th January 2022 00:10

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  1. https://www.ebay.de/itm/363681332351...AAAOSwXqhhxiiZ
  2. https://www.ebay.de/itm/125083670014...QAAOSwG2Rh1G3n
  3. https://www.ebay.de/itm/125083652530...kAAOSwKSRh1Gpe
  4. https://www.ebay.de/itm/125083584433...kAAOSw2d1h1F4T
  5. https://www.ebay.de/itm/115172928298...wAAOSwOWhh1wjC
  6. https://www.ebay.de/itm/115172927399...gAAOSwypJh1whm

paulmcmillan 7th January 2022 09:55

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#1946 2 is a great Photo Hudson 'F' - Surely must be identifiable ?

udf_00 7th January 2022 11:01

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Hudson I P5146 NR°X 220Sq force-landed in France 19410402.

paulmcmillan 7th January 2022 21:18

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udf_00

Yes it’s an “R” thanks for the ID though

edwest2 7th January 2022 21:29

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/203783232748...8AAOSwGulh1r3H
https://www.ebay.de/itm/224777307225...0AAOSwI8th1r15
https://www.ebay.de/itm/224777263166...oAAOSwo11h1rPV
https://www.ebay.de/itm/203783207104...8AAOSwpLhh1rM2
Off topic
https://www.ebay.de/itm/224777318301...EAAOSw50Jh1r6S

edwest2 8th January 2022 23:01

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/294698229312...YAAOSwQRZh2AHf

Stig Jarlevik 9th January 2022 01:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 314801)

Nice try Ed :)

Sweden could hardly be called an Allied during WW 2. I suppose we tried to stay neutral as best as we could,
but mostly only managed to turn our sail by the wind.....

It is clearly a pre-war photo since it carries the marking instructions from 1927 which were changed in 1932
when, among other things, the Fokkers should carry four digit serial numbers/codes

This aircraft carries a three digit serial/code and beside the obvious 3, the next one could be
either another 3 or a 5 while the final one is probably a 2, meaning we are looking at either 332 or 352.
Both had a long life, so no help there.

Cheers
Stig
PS: This photo should rightly be transferred to the pre WW 2 section

edwest2 9th January 2022 01:11

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Well, I didn't know. Thank you for the additional information.


Best,
Ed

Faenor 9th January 2022 06:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by udf_00 (Post 314752)
Hudson I P5146 NR°X 220Sq force-landed in France 19410402.

Hi all, some info about this Hudson:
http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...2354#post22354

and photo in better days:
https://www.akpool.co.uk/postcards/2...-us-army-p5146

Faenor

Stig Jarlevik 9th January 2022 13:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 314804)
Well, I didn't know. Thank you for the additional information.
Best,
Ed

No worries Ed :)
I suppose this is one of the good points with TOCH as such. We can't know everything single handed,
but together we can make a difference!
Cheers
Stig

edwest2 9th January 2022 21:52

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/313821789044...gAAOSwW0lh1r95
https://www.ebay.de/itm/363680799323...gAAOSwwIxh1r9F
https://www.ebay.de/itm/363679820334...kAAOSwdkxh1YTf
https://www.ebay.de/itm/363680799435...cAAOSwCk1h1r9i
Off topic
https://www.ebay.de/itm/224780387278...cAAOSwAeFh2V47

edwest2 11th January 2022 23:23

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  1. https://www.ebay.de/itm/175103988714...IAAOSw8xZh3EZ9
  2. https://www.ebay.de/itm/363686683517...0AAOSwIQhh3Zan
  3. https://www.ebay.de/itm/363686680429...oAAOSwbGth3ZUP
  4. https://www.ebay.de/itm/175105811555...AAAOSwAmJh3cSG
  5. https://www.ebay.de/itm/224785385216...kAAOSwleph3ZtD
  6. https://www.ebay.de/itm/224784990194...sAAOSwOVlh3Uu~

AndyMa 12th January 2022 11:59

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#5 showing Battle QT-H is usually said to be L5440 of 142 Sqn, abandoned at Berry-au-Bac c 16 May 40.
Confirmation anyone?

paulmcmillan 12th January 2022 13:35

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There is part of a serial visible on that Hurricane #1957 Post 2

edwest2 12th January 2022 23:10

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/224786723824...oAAOSw3MJh3rth
https://www.ebay.de/itm/353854196997...oAAOSwypJh3xDr
https://www.ebay.de/itm/224786623051...0AAOSwkZBh3qJw
https://www.ebay.de/itm/224786623191...sAAOSwQThh3qKu
https://www.ebay.de/itm/224786961564...gAAOSw-bhh3uk-


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