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knusel 28th January 2023 11:45

Re: Italian aircraft and their top aces
 
Good morning Gentlemen,

has it ever been estimated how many kills the Italians claimed with the Bf 109?

Cheers,

Michael

Nick Beale 28th January 2023 12:48

Re: Italian aircraft and their top aces
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by knusel (Post 326259)
Good morning Gentlemen,

has it ever been estimated how many kills the Italians claimed with the Bf 109?

Cheers,

Michael

You could start with "The Messerschmitt 109 in Italian Service, 1943-1945"
by Ferdinando D'Amico and Gabriele Valentini (Monogram, 1985):

https://www.abebooks.co.uk/978091414...0914144308/plp

knusel 29th January 2023 19:30

Re: Italian aircraft and their top aces
 
Good evening,

Imre Pánczél is sometimes associated with four Reggiane Re.2000 kills with maybe a fifth upgraded from unconfirmed to confirmed later. However, György Punka's book clearly says 3 Reggiane and 4 Messerschmitt kills.
Did really no Italian ever score 5 Reggiane Re.2000 kills ?

Cheers,

Michael

Gianandrea Bussi 31st January 2023 22:46

Re: Italian aircraft and their top aces
 
Regia Aeronautica received only 26 RE 2000, included 8 of the type "catapultabile" modified in order to be lauched from italian battleship of the Littorio Class.

As far as I know, the pilots of the "normal" land based aircraft, operated by 377a Sq., made only one claim on 15 june 1942 (not included in "Malta the Spitfire Year); the battleship based aircraft didn't made any claim.


Gianandrea

Stig Jarlevik 31st January 2023 23:17

Re: Italian aircraft and their top aces
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gianandrea Bussi (Post 326385)
As far as I know, the pilots of the "normal" land based aircraft, operated by 377a Sq., made only one claim on 15 june 1942 (not included in "Malta the Spitfire Year).
Gianandrea

Very interesting
Any further details such as time, place, name of the pilot and what he actually claimed?

Cheers
Stig

Gianandrea Bussi 31st January 2023 23:44

Re: Italian aircraft and their top aces
 
15 june 1942, during a flight in order to escort the VII Naval Division of the Regia Marina south of Pantelleria, Cap. Luciano Marcolin (377a Sq. Commander) claimed a Blenheim as effectively machinegunned (probable for the pilot flight book).

During the third escort of the day, the same pilot claimed a Blenheim s/d together Serg. Ugo Sgubbi.

I don't know the time of these claims.

Gianandrea

Stig Jarlevik 1st February 2023 00:22

Re: Italian aircraft and their top aces
 
Thanks Gianandrea

I cannot find any corresponding offensive patrol Blenheim loss(es) that day.
Maybe only damaged?

Will add the details to the book!

Cheers
Stig

knusel 1st February 2023 14:42

Re: Italian aircraft and their top aces
 
Good afternoon Gianandrea,

very interesting, thanks.
That makes it quite likely that Imre Pánczél is indeed the top scorer of the Re.2000.

Cheers,

Michael

Gianandrea Bussi 1st February 2023 19:27

Re: Italian aircraft and their top aces
 
Stig,
I've not checked the british losses but italian pilot often misidentified Beaufighter, Blenheim, Beaufort...

Michael,

I think you are right because no italian pilot was an ace piloting RE 2000

Gianandrea

knusel 1st February 2023 19:35

Re: Italian aircraft and their top aces
 
Good evening Gianandrea,

I've read "Reggiane Fighters in action" by G. Punka but it contains nothing about notable Reggiane pilots :-(
Did the Re.2005 produce any aces ?

Best greetings from Switzerland,

Michael


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