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AndyMa 13th January 2022 13:33

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#1 looks like a 57 Sqn Blenheim has been mixed into the three French photos.

marco392 13th January 2022 15:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by paulmcmillan (Post 314920)
There is part of a serial visible on that Hurricane #1957 Post 2


Paul,

It is next view of Hurricane VY-P, I have 3 other photos of that Hurri

Mariusz

Faenor 14th January 2022 07:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by marco392 (Post 314964)
Paul,

It is next view of Hurricane VY-P, I have 3 other photos of that Hurri

Mariusz

Hi Marius,

greetings from Czech rep :-)
or this plane is KWoU L1948 from the right side - the 1st letter looks like K or V - there is no other option. The letter looks thin/slim then by plane VYoP.

Faenor

paulmcmillan 14th January 2022 14:43

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All I think it is VY-P as well - So 85 Sqn machine - of course N2319 is a well known VY-P and photos of it are on the Internet - but it has a white hexagon on the fin.. So almost certainly not that one - Also the Sqn code looks like it is painted over the serial which a correspondent of mine says looks like '2-3-8-9 ; P / R'


Air Britain serials has Mark I, N2319 'VY-P' presumed lost in France May 1940

but BoFTaN has

May 17th 1940

85 SQUADRON, LILLE-SECLIN Hurricane N2319. Believed shot down in combat with Bf109s of 11.1.1G26 west of Douai 4.00 p.m. Pilot Officer P. P. Woods-Scawen baled out slightly wounded. Aircraft a write-off.





http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?uniq=N2319

marco392 14th January 2022 15:30

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You're right Paul, it's not N2319, even the size of the serial number is completely different on well known photo of N2319 and this one. Using photoshop I tried to read the Hurricane serial number from all my photos of VY-P and I can see Px5xx.
last two digits are rounded at the top, so could be 0,2,3,6,8,9

I think these Hurri which meet that condition are : P2535, P2538, P2563 ?
as I have in my fiels P2563 had code VY-B, P2538 was with 85 only until 10.01.1940 so Is that photo of P2535 ?

Mariusz

paulmcmillan 14th January 2022 16:02

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I feel it unlikely to be P2535

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/136966

As pilot killed on 16th May 1940 and this is BEFOFE loss of original N2319 'VY-P' on 17th May 1940

edwest2 14th January 2022 22:54

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/393872594123...IAAOSw2xhh4cId
Off topic
https://www.ebay.de/itm/284604388010...cAAOSwE8xh3aQF
https://www.ebay.de/itm/373874259466...EAAOSwLjdh4VbL

marco392 15th January 2022 17:20

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wreck of Hurricane left on Le Touquet aerodrome
https://www.ebay.de/itm/3342926449...SwqXJh4ugT

edwest2 15th January 2022 21:24

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/393872710116...EAAOSw50Jh4dDf
https://www.ebay.de/itm/393874911488...gAAOSwEqlh4utm
https://www.ebay.de/itm/393874908938...cAAOSwp0Rh4ur2

edwest2 18th January 2022 21:18

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/363693877333...EAAOSwi6Rh5Vg7
https://www.ebay.de/itm/313837107954...AAAOSw7Cdh5U6v

Off topic
https://www.ebay.de/itm/313833261426...EAAOSwhzNh4X0J

edwest2 19th January 2022 20:05

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  1. https://www.ebay.de/itm/144377579703...gAAOSwaLRh6Cd7
  2. https://www.ebay.de/itm/313837212456...cAAOSwY-9h4XuE
  3. https://www.ebay.de/itm/363693965956...gAAOSwHSdh4Xyz
  4. https://www.ebay.de/itm/313837213258...4AAOSw2ghh4Xxe
  5. https://www.ebay.de/itm/294672206089...kAAOSw4xdhzCVo

edwest2 19th January 2022 21:41

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/373888144075...wAAOSwwk5h6Fht

edwest2 20th January 2022 21:00

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  1. https://www.ebay.de/itm/125110187601...oAAOSw3SZh6Zgw
  2. https://www.ebay.de/itm/294680516591...QAAOSw5OVh0Etj
  3. https://www.ebay.de/itm/373890847772...YAAOSwo25h6Z7d
  4. https://www.ebay.de/itm/373890845197...cAAOSwuOph6Z5D
  5. https://www.ebay.de/itm/403421177230...4AAOSwxDVh6Tfu
  6. https://www.ebay.de/itm/144379098739...kAAOSwnJph6aAX
  7. https://www.ebay.de/itm/125107820322...oAAOSwVNRh5997

edwest2 22nd January 2022 21:32

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Duplicate post.

edwest2 22nd January 2022 21:32

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  1. https://www.ebay.de/itm/393890254266...gAAOSwDgNh6vZI
  2. https://www.ebay.de/itm/393892342920...UAAOSwDtRh7BIU
  3. https://www.ebay.de/itm/393892342726...MAAOSwC7Vh7BIS
  4. https://www.ebay.de/itm/393892342583...0AAOSw4Lph7BIP
  5. https://www.ebay.de/itm/373896014288...wAAOSw7Cdh7BIC
  6. https://www.ebay.de/itm/393892341734...kAAOSwJalh7BH-
  7. https://www.ebay.de/itm/393892341335...QAAOSwR8Jh7BH0
  8. https://www.ebay.de/itm/393892341005...EAAOSweoVh7BHq
  9. https://www.ebay.de/itm/393892340937...YAAOSwnBJh7BHp
  10. https://www.ebay.de/itm/265513381497...EAAOSwrQVh7A6R
  11. https://www.ebay.de/itm/265513374105...YAAOSwrQVh7AxX
  12. https://www.ebay.de/itm/265513373016...cAAOSw~z5h7Ava
  13. https://www.ebay.de/itm/265513199255...kAAOSwDOdh6-Ev
  14. https://www.ebay.de/itm/403424556940...MAAOSwWxNYv0lM
  15. https://www.ebay.de/itm/403424556906...4AAOSwTM5Yv0lO
  16. https://www.ebay.de/itm/144380599265...gAAOSwYmth6xb-
  17. https://www.ebay.de/itm/373896015523...AAAOSwhlph7BIi
  18. https://www.ebay.de/itm/373896015419...QAAOSwjzZh7BIi
  19. https://www.ebay.de/itm/393891923846...8AAOSwFmtdZtvE
  20. https://www.ebay.de/itm/393891923781...wAAOSwhn5dZtu8

Faenor 23rd January 2022 07:12

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Hi all,

just idea - can be this B-26 from previous post:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/393892342583...0AAOSw4Lph7BIP

this plane: B-26B-15-MA Marauder serial no 41-31618 from 386BG - lost 23 January 1944 ?

Thank

Faenor

Bertrand H 23rd January 2022 09:50

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Thanks Ed pour the long list

#1975_1 Potez 63-11 n°279 of GR 1/35, 2eme esc lost on 24/05/40

Stig Jarlevik 23rd January 2022 13:29

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Post 1975

No 8 is a post war Cessna LC-126A

Cheers
Stig

edwest2 23rd January 2022 21:27

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/234389845269...kAAOSweElh7Z0w
https://www.ebay.de/itm/334302310653...UAAOSwHSdh7ZUf
https://www.ebay.de/itm/234389835158...4AAOSwKGRh7Zw4
https://www.ebay.de/itm/334302309021...AAAOSwYL5h7ZS7
https://www.ebay.de/itm/284621508983...IAAOSw559h7Tih
https://www.ebay.de/itm/325011888231...QAAOSwHBZh7U9X

edwest2 23rd January 2022 21:28

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You're welcome Bertrand. Thanks Stig.


Ed

edwest2 24th January 2022 23:05

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/353873876283...AAAOSwSSZh7rjA
https://www.ebay.de/itm/224805482936...EAAOSwiith7nmz

AndyMa 25th January 2022 03:54

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Gotta laugh at the seller's caption to #1.
American bomber?! Looks like a Heinkel He177 to me....

Stig Jarlevik 25th January 2022 11:28

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What Andy?

How naughty.... :)
Confess I do that basically every day to all the silliness our dear sellers manage to come up with...:D

Cheers
Stig

edwest2 25th January 2022 21:29

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/325015442193...IAAOSw9QBh8CYt
https://www.ebay.de/itm/325015441958...YAAOSwH8Bh8CYU
https://www.ebay.de/itm/265517731595...sAAOSwPPJh7~fP
https://www.ebay.de/itm/393897260850...oAAOSwEBlh7sp9

newcomer 26th January 2022 10:38

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Ed,

photos No 1 and No 2 are Royal Hungarian Air Force Aircraft, not Yugoslav.

kind regards

newcomer

Stig Jarlevik 26th January 2022 10:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by newcomer (Post 315427)
Ed,

photos No 1 and No 2 are Royal Hungarian Air Force Aircraft, not Yugoslav.

kind regards

newcomer

Indeed
A very good case in point of my e-mail regarding laughable sellers
a) No it is not a "Beute Flugzeug"
b) No it is not either a Yugoslav or Serbian aircraft (it is a Hungarian He 46)
c) No it has not "kennung 30" (it is F.307)
d) No it is not a "Doppeldecker)

The seller is capable of ensuring that not a single statement in his sentence is correct.
I think we all can agree that such a sentence is really "Weltklasse".... :)

Cheers
Stig

newcomer 26th January 2022 11:29

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I'm agree with you Stig, but seller or his associates now obviously don't know such basic data. Therefore, they can't correctly recognize such aircraft and when potential buyer try to find such photos by search engine they often didn't find anything. It's paradox that in the period before 5 or 10 years ago e-bay offered lesser photo in some category but included much more in some subcategory than today. The level of knowledgde of seller now is lower than previous. It's pitty both for seller and buyer as the finding of interesting item are much difficult and it is also one of the reason why selling didn't realized.

kind regards

Newcomer

edwest2 26th January 2022 17:40

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newcomer,


It is apparent that seller knowledge is uneven. The expectation is that the seller should know something about what he is selling. In the present, there are no requirements aside from listing in the right category.


Best regards,
Ed

edwest2 27th January 2022 00:54

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/384700698406...wAAOSwylBh8Y-g
Off topic
https://www.ebay.de/itm/373904261801...kAAOSwKyNh8ZCD

edwest2 27th January 2022 21:25

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/373905881945...8AAOSwF7hh8uk8
https://www.ebay.de/itm/125119139616...cAAOSwSS1h8SA0

marco392 28th January 2022 11:13

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next Hurricane
https://www.ebay.de/itm/15481486755...wCaJh8waD
it's P2701

edwest2 29th January 2022 01:40

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/393903856320...EAAOSwI5dh9CWI
https://www.ebay.de/itm/294776416033...8AAOSwzA9h891w

Faenor 29th January 2022 08:13

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Post 1992 the 2nd link

https://www.ebay.de/itm/294776416033...8AAOSwzA9h891w

Looks like AVIA Ba-33 alias BH-33L (with motor Skoda L500) Czechoslovak Air Force before WWII - but around year 1930 .......but the place? If you have more info, pls share.

More info:
plane: Avia Ba-33
date: 8.7.1933 - the police / gendarme are not yet wearing a swastika
pilot:Cyril Novotný
unit: 31.letka LP 1. (31. squadron from the Flying wing no 1)
reason: stray during the flight

For compare of the type:
http://www.vinar.cz/mitte/ba33.htm

Faenor

marco392 30th January 2022 21:05

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Hurricane H23
https://www.ebay.de/itm/224815...pQy

edwest2 30th January 2022 21:06

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/313855206100...4AAOSwzwRh9map
https://www.ebay.de/itm/313855170762...oAAOSwY89h9l~g
https://www.ebay.de/itm/363708715839...IAAOSwMeVh9l-R
https://www.ebay.de/itm/363708738139...kAAOSwiB5h9mb9

kaki3152 30th January 2022 21:46

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The last one photograph of the P-51B/C wreck is interesting. It looks to be a 99FS, 332FG P-51, with the red tail, AX (A1?) Squadron code indicator and what appears to be the squadron crest for the 99th Squadron on the nose.

edwest2 30th January 2022 22:01

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That does appear to be the case. Click on the top image in the link to enlarge:


http://sprueinternational.blogspot.c...embly-and.html


There is a yellow and orange version of the squadron crest:


https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-99...-41671741.html

edwest2 30th January 2022 23:51

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Document
https://www.emedals.com/a-commission...-night-fighers

kaki3152 31st January 2022 04:42

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The P-38 in #1995 appears to be a P-38J , s/n 42-104105, 37th FS, 14th FG that crash landed on Hungarian soil on August22, 1944. There is another photo of the other side of this A/C; see : https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...epan_11085.jpg

Unfortunately, there is no indication of this airplane in Joe Baugher's list nor in the usual MACR list. Based on the date of August 22,1944, the A/C pilot appears to be Lt. Mitchell S. Cwiek, 37th FS POW on this date., since this is the only POW listed on this date in the book "14th Fighter Group in WWII"

rpeck350 31st January 2022 14:02

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/363708738139...kAAOSwiB5h9mb9

A P-51B from 99th FS 332nd FG.


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