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Juha 23rd February 2010 23:03

Re: Friendly fire WWII
 
Hello Brian
still interested in these friendly fire cases?

1940-Jan-06;13:15; MBR-2; Tac Nr 5; 41 AE; Dam.; Busygin st.lt (Pilot) OK, Miroshnichenko, kapt (Nav) OK, Stepantsov ml.kom (AG/WO) OK; River Olonka; Own goal; Force-landed after attacked by 5 I-153s of VVS 8.A while it was returning from bombing mission against Mantsi. MBR-2 got appr 50 hits on engine, fuel tank etc, engine stopped, force-landed at 13:22 3km N of the mouth of the river
Source: Geust et al Red Star 5 pp. 87-88 ,179

Juha

Brian 24th February 2010 16:06

Re: Friendly fire WWII
 
Hi Juha

I trust you are well.

Many thanks for the latest - not one I had recorded! Just in time to go into Volume I, which should appear by the summer.

Cheers
Brian

mars 25th February 2010 02:01

Re: Friendly fire WWII
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian (Post 102257)
Hi Juha

I trust you are well.

Many thanks for the latest - not one I had recorded! Just in time to go into Volume I, which should appear by the summer.

Cheers
Brian

What would be the name of your new book?

Juha 25th February 2010 11:13

Re: Friendly fire WWII
 
Hello Brian
I’m more or less OK
so another MBR-2 case
1939-12-06; 12:25; MBR-2; construction nr. 14/629; 41 AE; Destr.; Tsyplakov Petr A. lt (Pilot) KIA, Petrov st.lt (Nav) WIA, kapt Belov Sergey V. (KIA), Grishkov Vasiliy ml.k-r AG/WO (KIA); Vidlitsa / Vitele; Own goal; Shot down by 4 I-16s from 49 IAP (kapt Sizov, st.lt. Murzilov, st.lt Bobrov, adj. Savushkin)
Source: Geust et al Red Star 5 pp. 64-66 ,178



Cheers
Juha

Bruce Dennis 25th February 2010 23:36

Re: Friendly fire WWII
 
Hello Brian, do you have 1x Hurricane lost (pilot killed) and 1x damaged by own ack-ack at Malta 22 January 1942?

Regards,
Bruce

Juha 26th February 2010 22:44

Re: Friendly fire WWII
 
Hello Brian
a few more


1939-11-30;; SB;; LVO; Forced down;; Veino;Own goal; Fighters of VVS KBF forced down after air surveillance service of NKVD misidentified the SB as a Ju 86
Source: Geust et al Red Star 5 p. 56

1939-11-30;; I-15bis;; 12 OIAE;W/O; Kulakov P.Ya. st.lt (Pilot) para;Khabolovo;Own goal;Shot down by SB of LVO during air-combat between 7 VVS KBF fighters and 3 SBs
Source: Geust et al Red Star 5 p. 56, 178

1939-12-01;;R-5;;; Shot down;Tereštšenko (pilot) WIA;Akkul / Leningrad Oblast;Own goal;Soviet AA shot down
Source: Vihavainen & Saharov (ed.): Tuntematon Talvisota s. 176

1939-12-01;17:00;SB;;41 SBAP;Destr.;Inozemtsev (Pilot) KIA, Vorobjov (Nav) KIA, Menšin AG/WO KIA;Ilijenš hamlet, Volosovo / Leningrad Oblast;Own goal;Shot down by a fighter which had white stripes over black, all Finnish claims on that day were over Finnish territory, so the fighter must have been a Soviet one
Source: Vihavainen & Saharov (ed.): Tuntematon Talvisota s. 181

Cheers
Juha

Brian 26th February 2010 23:11

Re: Friendly fire WWII
 
Juha - absolutely excellent. Many thanks, indeed. I would never have found any of these without your help. Great stuff.

Bruce - yes, I do have the Malta incidents noted. Thanks.

Mars - the series will be called, I believe, "BLUE ON BLUE: Aerial Friendly Fire WWII"

Cheers
Brian

Bruce Dennis 3rd March 2010 21:22

Re: Friendly fire WWII
 
I'll try another one: do you have the 7th July 1943 night time bombing of Boise City, Oklahoma, by a student bombadier? He thought the lit up city was a bombrange ...

Bruce

Brian 4th March 2010 10:34

Re: Friendly fire WWII
 
Hi Bruce

Now that really sounds interesting! Please e-mail me with what you have.

Cheers
Brian

PS: Hope to get to Kew next Thursday (I will have to confirm). Any chance you might be there?

Bruce Dennis 4th March 2010 11:38

Re: Friendly fire WWII
 
Pretty good chance, and I can show you the original source for the Oklahoma atrocity.
TTFN,
Bruce


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