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Hi Andy, Ed

Photo 11 actually shows N6164 TR-K, forced-landed at Saint-Vaast-en-Chaussee on May 19th and abandoned in situ next day.
L4856 has previously been listed as TR-K, but photographic evidence has shown it was in fact 'Z'.

Photos 9 & 10 show Blenheim Z6103 QY-K of 254 Squadron which was forced-landed at Morgat on the French coast. Pierre Babin has done a lot of work on this aircraft and I think he may have written an article about it in a French magazine.

Regards,

Martin.

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Thank you Andy and Martin for the additional information.

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Hi all, another photos of N6164 TRoK there:
https://www.worldwarphotos.info/gall...n6164-58-poix/
http://sehet.andre.free.fr/dedetexte...guerre3945.htm

Faenor

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Hi AndyMa and all,

there is collection pf e-bay photos of this Blenheim - L4856 TRoZ:

http://modelari.org/viewtopic.php?t=2841

But I have question (3 post on the topic) - this is the same place where the L4856 was burned during the retreat - the combination of engines responds, only the fuselage is missing (probably taken away) and more debris was pulled into place ......

Faenor

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Hello Martin,


In fact I related the story of this aircraft in my book about the Wekusta 2 "La Wekusta 2 au combat, 1940-1944" (pages 69-71). And the "connexion" of this RAF N°254 Sqdn aircraft, is that after its emergency landing on a Morgat beach, it was it was taken in hand by the mechanics and pilots of the Wekusta 2.


Pierre

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Can somebody share with me photo from link 9 and 10 from Martin post?
Now there are different planes (Ju 88 and klem 35)

E-mail: jaroslav.petracek1977@gmail.com

thank you

Faenor

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Hi all,

nice founding:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/314031029859...kAAOSwBeBioxF7

Faenor

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Schnautzer posted a message in a Blenheim thread which might fit better here:

"Bristol Blenheim L6670 UQ-R Abschuss Afrikakorpspictures of crashed pplane now on ebay https://www.ebay.de/itm/134148279203...8AAOSw~~Riqw94 "

Despite the stamping on the photo, I don't think this can be L6670. This did indeed serve in Greece with 211 Sqn, as per:
http://www.211squadron.org/bristol_blenheim_i.html
but that site records that it made a wheels up landing on 15 Dec 40 and did not fly with the sqn operationally again. The relevant Air-Britain serials book says it was passed to the Hellenic Air Force on 1 Apr 41.
I think we are looking for another UQ-R. Ideas anyone?
Andy

PS Thanks to Martin for the correction on TR-K

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Off topic
https://www.ebay.de/itm/134148299778...gAAOSw6P9iqxO~

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Hi all,

this Whitley is probably P4983 MHoP from 51.Sq - lost during the night 11/12 of August

https://www.ebay.de/itm/115417519800...oAAOSw1t9iocV-

https://www.ebay.de/itm/125361278563...MAAOSwsCliocWp

Some other photo there:
http://modelari.org/viewtopic.php?t=2844

Faenor

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2214: looks like Hurricane Z4250

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It does indeed look like Z4250.
The actual fate of this aircraft would seem to have been previously unknown - just listed as SOC 5Jun41.
If the seller's caption is correct it was abandoned at Iraklion, Crete.

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Hurricane Z4250 crashed 27.05.1941 when P/O Arthur Adrian Percy "Sam" Weller landed at Heraklion with Sgt. Nicolson in Z4536 (they flew earlier for offensive patrol with Blenheim from 45 Sqn) , Weller however damaged his Hurricane during landing and he was stranded on the island.
(ORB 274 Sqn)

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Thanks for that extra information.

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/37412933954...0AAOSwUY9ip9Th
https://www.ebay.com/itm/15503664388...sAAOSw-2Bip9VI
https://www.ebay.com/itm/37413315981...gAAOSwKDpinhrC

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/363874912760...oAAOSwUohiqu~F
https://www.ebay.de/itm/314039461038...wAAOSw4bZirH5d
https://www.ebay.de/itm/363876326031...wAAOSwMb9irH-Q
https://www.ebay.de/itm/314041509061...IAAOSwYmhirx7c

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Thanks Ed - some nice photos from Crete are appearing.
Although not particularly rare, the Blenheim is K7177/VT-N of 30 Sqn, which was abandoned (as captioned) at Maleme after being damaged on 27 Apr 41.

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Thank you Andy.


https://www.ebay.de/itm/134151385804...4AAOSwU7NisGmP
https://www.ebay.de/itm/384959371723...cAAOSwQ2lisCdw

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Thanks ED

2222_1 : it is the A/F of Dreux ; P2315 (103 sqdn, P/Os Thorougood/Webber) landed at this airfield after had been hit by German fire on 8 june 1940

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Looks like this was un-coded - or if it was coded only a single Sqn letter
Anyone ID the middle aircraft ?

Thanks Paul

Whitley of 77 Squadron, 'KN-Q'. possibly K8947 on night 15-16 October 1939

https://77squadron.org.uk/history/personalities/

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You're welcome Bertrand.


https://www.ebay.de/itm/284858389956...QAAOSwR9diqygr
https://www.ebay.de/itm/275351504244...0AAOSwFaViqyfz
https://www.ebay.de/itm/275351501413...kAAOSwo6tiqycp
https://www.ebay.de/itm/363879109405...4AAOSwGK9isDXK
Off topic
https://www.ebay.de/itm/275351583627...QAAOSwYMdiqzWu

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A second Caudron 714?

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Hi all,

nice photo of Hawker Hurricane from France 1940:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/314038031506...cAAOSwJ-5iqunb

Based on my investigation, this is probably a Hawker Hurricane Mk. I L1679 from 1.SQ - famous pilot F / O P.H.M. Richey, who landed the machine on May 11, 1940 at Tournes-Belval airport due to lack of fuel and the machine was to be destroyed on May 14, 1940 during the German bombing of this airport.

More photos on same plane:
http://modelari.org/viewtopic.php?t=2144

Faenor

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I have also seen Berry-au-Bac quoted as the location for this aircraft's demise.
Is Tournes-Belval confirmed please?

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Andy

Yes it is MEZIEREs/TOURNES- BELVAL ; it was A/F for I./JG1 between 16-22 may 1940.

If you check page 80 of Die Jagdfliegerverbände der Deutschen Luftwaffe 1934 bis 1945 teil 3 you have same hangar available in the link given by Faenor (fith photo)

Bertrand

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Super, thanks for the confirmation Bertrand, and thanks to Faenor for the initial posting of this location.

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/275351500327...EAAOSwfXViqyZ1
https://www.ebay.de/itm/295055109886...YAAOSwO2RistQn
https://www.ebay.de/itm/284863746570...UAAOSwAz9isHA0

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Error post.

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Can someone please put me out of my misery and identify the Battle shown at #4 of Ed's post 2220:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/314041509061...IAAOSwYmhirx7c
It's a 142 Sqn machine, as evidenced by the QT- code.
The serial looks like L522_
The only aircraft that would seem to fit is L5226 QT-Q, lost on 19 May 1940, but photos I've seen of this look totally different - the aircraft is basically complete, and in a different location.
Thanks,
Andy

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Post 2222 #2

It is captioned as being in France, which would rule out K8947 (shot down near Frankfurt).
N1362 might fit the bill. This was lost on the late evening of 11 June 1940, crashing at Orgeres-la-Roche, as per: https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ls/r/C14502515
Does the photo background offer any clues as to whether this might be possible?

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Post 2233
Andy - This looks to me that it can only be L5227 - it still must have carried it's 124 Sqd codes although when lost it was assigned to 12 Sqd on 12th May 1940. I would assume due to the chaotic situation that the German incursion of the 10th May started they had little time to re-paint them.

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Tom,
Thanks, it does indeed look like L5227, I had failed to consider that it may not have been recoded after its transfer from 142 Sqn to 12 Sqn (does anyone know when this was?)
It is almost universally reported as being coded PH-J at the time of its loss. The F541 just shows J. Presumably it was actually marked QT-J.
Andy

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Andy thanks Paul

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Andy
For what it is worth I still think it looks like L5226 (can't see any trace of a 7 at the end)
I have three photos from the internet, all showing the aircraft from the opposite direction.
To me someone burned the aircraft much later and with the much higher grass visible, the photo is most
likely taken later during the summer....
Cheers
Stig

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Andy, Tom

That Battle wreck is L5323 of 142 Squadron, date of loss not known. The serial in that photo above has been tampered with.
L5227 'PH-J' of 12 Sqn. (Sgt. Marland as pilot) was lost on 12 May 1940 during the famous attack on the bridges. L5227 crashed on the bank of the Albert Canal, there are photos of this wreck.
Dave Underwood may have more to say on this matter. Both of us have photos of this 'QT' wreck, clearly showing the serial as L5323.

Regards,

Martin Gleeson.

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That was interesting Martin

Do you have other photos of L5323 after its crash?
What I don't understand, why would anyone be interested in tampering with the photo in question?:confused:

Cheers
Stig