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Whitley N1362 I have with squadron code KNoB and with info, that dead crew was burried by Le Mans by allied soldiers. As I know, this planes started from Jersey to raid Turin (Italy). Does anyone have an ORB of this squadron from this period and can confirm / refute the letter of this machine? Maybe it is typo in my archive. Faenor |
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Faenor,
The code is listed as Q in Op Order 96 in the 77 Sqn Appendices (AIR 27/659). This would of course only have been the planned aircraft. The F541 lists the aircraft lost as N1390 (no code listed), which is not correct (this aircraft survived until 1943 when it was lost with 24 OTU). It is therefore likely that N1390 was KN-Q. Comparison of the Op Orders in the appendices with the F541 supports this. Regarding code KN-B, a similar comparison would seem to indicate that this was N1508. Conducting a similar exercise with N1362 (the lost aircraft) gives KN-K as the likely code. So in the context of the original photo, the crashed aircraft was not N1362 as I suggested. Further ideas welcome! Andy |
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Can you please clarify who you think tampered with the photo, and why? Regards, Andy |
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Andy - I don’t think Martin knows who and why - but confirmed on Facebook that another serial - the image matches a known other loss with confirms serial and other photos
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2249 #1 #2 107 Sqn Blenheim ????
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2252 : #1 next photo of Hurricane P2537 'NV-K' 79 Squdron
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Hi all,
another nice photo and a piece of history solved: https://www.ebay.de/itm/165431281911...8AAOSwhsZiVo2d Spitfire Mk. Vb AD314 MNoW from 350. SQ - lost 20/12/1943 during Ramrod 377/I - reason engine failure. Pilot: F/Sgt Leon J G Harmel (1807), some info from escape is there: http://www.conscript-heroes.com/esca...s-Shelburn.htm Faenor |
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2255 #1 is that a Kingdom of Yugoslavia Hawker Hurricane?
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Since I am away from my books I cannot say which one it is, but I am sure one of our Serbian friends can :) Cheers Stig |
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with descrpition "Nice view of a captured Hurricane, military s/n unknown (possibly 2328) at Belgrad airport, Zemun summer 1941. It looks like the aircraft in under repairs outside by the Zmaj technican instead of inside the factory, which seems a bit odd." Mariusz |
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Orig. photo Romanian English RAF captured plane Spitfire in Romania 1944 No way�� |
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Looks like a Heinkel 112 to me Cheers Stig |
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No, it is MiG-3.
kind regards Newcomer |
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Fits better :) Stig |
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Hi all,
another Hawker Hurricane Mk. I probably from France 1940: https://www.ebay.de/itm/374168007343...gAAOSwatFixuAd Squadron code are slightly visible - GZ - so definetelly 32. Sq. But which serial number - P2727? I have another Hurri with marking GZoV, but it looks like different plane. Any comment is welcome Faenor |
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- I believe that the photo does show P2727 but according to https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/228832 (i know!!!) - but 2 things inconsistent the Sqn code is V (not F) and fact he forced landed not bailed out code defo P?7?7 and looks like a 2 Hawker Hurricane Mk.I P2727 (GZ-F) 32 Squadron, RAF: Written off (destroyed) when lost (failed to return) from a Combat Air Patrol over Dunkirk. Pilot bailed out and survived. According to the official Air Ministry file into the incident (File AIR 81/763): "Hurricane P2527 [*sic] crash landed near Calais, France, 2 June 1940. Sergeant Dermot Flynn: prisoner of war" Airborne from RF Biggin Hill, Bromley, Kent for a combat air patrol over Dunkirk. Shot down by enemy action (presumed by Flak/AAA, as no enemy claims made for this aircraft in air to air combat). Crew into the sea off Calais; pilot bailed out, and survived, but was captured, and taken as a PoW Crew of Hurricane P2727: Sergeant Dermot Flynn (pilot, #520659); bailed out, survived, captured, and became a PoW. Interned at PoW camp 357 (Kopernikus) as PoW no. 68 Also see http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=3586 |
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142 Sqn Battles including K7700 abandoned at Berry-au-Bac the other one will be either K9259, K9366, L5440 or L5242 |
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I wonder from where the code GZ-F comes from? None of the listed sources have such a code, only GZ-? Since I only have Franks' book in the first edition, I don't know if there is such a code in the 2nd one. Only problem seems to be if the pilot bailed out or not. It certainly looks like a pilot has had some kind of control when making the landing we can see... Cheers Stig |
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Re. Hurricane P2727.
I have the AIR 81/763 personnel casualty file for Sgt. Dermot Flynn, lost on 2 June 1940. There is almost nothing in it about the circumstances of his loss, except for his POW Questionnaire of May 1945 but even this has almost no detail. Under the line "Did you bale out, crash, force-land, ditch or get blown out ?" he wrote 'Crash land'. For the location he gave 'near Calais' and that he was made a prisoner the same day. He also wrote 'Hurricane Z' for his aircraft, but this is probably an understandable mistake after five years ! Hope this helps. Regards, Martin. |
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Thanks Martin
Sounds conclusive enough for me.... :) Cheers Stig |
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Martin yes 100% happy that this is Flynn in P2727 coded V
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Marius, Martin Gleeson, Paul MCMillan and Stig Jarlevik - thank you for sharing your opinion about Hurricane P2727 :-) I really appreciate it and thank you!
Marius thank you for the photos and discussion on the mail and our archives about Hurricanes :-) Faenor |
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serie's op photo's 312.(Czech) Squadron https://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_dkr=...c=1&_nkw=czech
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Mention was made of Hurricane Z that crash landed, I three pic showing this aircraft with No. P 2737 on the tail. (For some reason cannot upload) maybe the plot was right?? |
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That was interesting
I suppose you are still talking about P2727 and not P2737? Are your photos of the crash landed aircraft or is it still intact? Cheers Stig |
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===================================== Re. Hurricane P2727. I have the AIR 81/763 personnel casualty file for Sgt. Dermot Flynn, lost on 2 June 1940. There is almost nothing in it about the circumstances of his loss, except for his POW Questionnaire of May 1945 but even this has almost no detail. Under the line "Did you bale out, crash, force-land, ditch or get blown out ?" he wrote 'Crash land'. For the location he gave 'near Calais' and that he was made a prisoner the same day. He also wrote 'Hurricane Z' for his aircraft, but this is probably an understandable mistake after five years ! ====================================== The pics I have are of an aircraft that had "crash landed" location was "near Calais" ( a bit bent wheels up ), the aircraft was letter Z serial P2737..Strange coincidence when I have time I will investigate for my own satisfaction. Cheers |
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