Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
 

Page 5 has 11 entries, and I refer to them by the model etc as written by the Soviets. I have not altered the records to show information from the new source yet:

53. FW 189 A-2 WNr 0233:
Not identified based on this information

54. Ju 88A-5 WNr 2336:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=145487

55. Ju-52/3T D-5-E WNr 7078:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=145953

56. Me 109E-3/U1 WNr 1554:
Not identified based on this information

57. FW 189D-2 WNr 2301:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146986

58. Me 109E-7 WNr 6060:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=151259
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142120

59. Me-109 E U-7 WNr 5011:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142389

60. Ju-52 3-M L-4-E WNr 6420:
Not identified

61. Hs 123 WNr 2250 :
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142398

62. Ju-52 RM UŠ WNr 5058:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=148465

63. Me 109 WNr 5233:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=162327
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142467


Regards,

Andreas B

Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
 

Hello Andreas,

thank you again!

Correction:
Ju-52 3-M D-4-E (Russian "Д", not "Л").

Best regards,
Andrey

Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
 

better: Ju 52/3mg4e --- the "little" german "m" is an Russian "t" and the German "g" is an Russian "d"

Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
 

Yes, it is Ju 52/3mg4e undoubtedly.
But Andreas try to show the Russian records "as is".

Best regards,
Andrey

Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
 

Hallo, all!

Yes - I am trying to write these lists up, albeit with the latin characters, as they were recorded by the Soviet intelligence service.

Regards,

Andreas B

Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
 

Page 6 has 13 entries, and I refer to them by the model etc as written by the Soviets. I have not altered the records to show information from the new source yet:

64. Ju-52/3M D-8-E WNr 7521:
Not identified

65. Me-109F4 TROP WNr 8769:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146014

66. Me 109G-2 WNr 13597:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=143692

67. Me 109G-2 WNr 13621:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=112121

68. Me-109E1 U-1 WNr 2941:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142555

69. Hs 123:
Not identified

70. DO-17-Z WNr 4249:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147675

71. Me-109C/1 E-7 WNr 3014:
Not identified

72. Me 109F-4/Trop WNr 8799:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147133

73. Me-109 F 4 R 1 WNr 13339:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147541

74. Me 109E-7 WNr 4899:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142573

75. Me-109 F 4-Z WNr 7624:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=148823
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147393

76. Fiziler-156 C3 TROP WNr 5468:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147842
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=143779

Regards,

Andreas B

Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
 

#65: recording Russian report it was W.Nr.8769 not 8764 and an "F" (how I can read)
#70, 75: the Russian letter is an "Z" (like I've learned in the school)

Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
 

It would had be greatly smarter, than our russian friends translate all the commentary , preferable to let Andreas try to make it with a dictionnary


Rémi

Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
 

Item 71 is most likely Bf 109 E-7 WNr. 5014.

Regards,
Norbert

Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
 

Significant comments are in column 12:
"без моторов" = without motors
"без мотора" = without motor

Other significant comments:

Item 43: remains of tail part [of plane]
Item 47: fore part of stub plane
Item 50: tail part
Item 51: tail part
Item 52: stub plane
Item 53: stub plane
Item 61: stub plane, fore part decomposed
Item 63: fore part decomposed
Item 69: fore part decomposed
Item 70: stub plane only, without fuselage

Other remarks are worded description of the emblems mainly.

Column 5 - Manufacturer of plane
Column 8 - Modification of the motor
Column 11 - Manufacturer of motors

Best regards,
Andrey