Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Thank you for letting us known! Will check it on the week-end.

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Thank you for telling us, Jørn. Can you indicate which documents have been added, or at least which new documents have you seen on the website?

Regards,

Dan

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

FLAK

http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...flakdivisionen

Junker

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Hi all

There is a vast amount of info available from the German Docs in Russia site in the link put up by Junker., which was put up on 27 December 2018 e.g. A list of I Flak division claims for 16 -31 Aug 1942, a list of aircraft flown on 21 Jan 1943 in the Caucasus region, although not strictly Flak related it helps. This list includes codes and take off times.

I have only had a quick look at 3 of the 253 cases.

Cheers

Russell

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Hi all,

can I kindly ask of the originally posted torrent for the 12452 files is still working? I know, I am a bit late...but that stuff is still not up on the web site and I was wondering...

Cheers,
Andreas

PS: I am happy to share out and continue seeding if that (or another torrent) is still alove

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Thanks, Jörn - for me, that Fond is a real Find! (no pun intended :))

L.

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Dear all,

for what it is worth, I wanted to "repay" a little of the generosity Andy has shown me yesterday and today. I wrote a little script that "queried" the actual server and dumped the set of actually existing files into an Excel Sheet.

Unfortunately, this forum's software is to stubborn to allow me to attach it - nonetheless, if there is any interest: grab it from here. (you need to open it in Excel to be able to use the filters and save it locally)

What does it contain: well, the first tab is more or less for me - it is quick-links to the currently available catalogs. The second tab is more interesting. It contains all the 4145 documents I was able to locate on the server. The first column gives you the web address (copy & paste to your browser. The second column identifies the catalog they are stored in (so you can use the filter at the first line to limit to a specific catalog if you want. And last: the third column contains the file description.

I did it because I was courious if 12452 was just "hidden" or not "there" and if any other catalogs might be hidden... so far: no surprises, no late xmas gifts...

Andreas

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Andreas,

Many thanks for sharing.

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Andreas, thank you very much!

This is excellent. Is it possible to make it even better by adding the full file description (Annotation) to each record? Taking the case of http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/nodes/828 as an example, the title of the file is very short compared to the Annotation.

Title in file

Akte 2. Mitteilung des OKH über die Verschiebung französischer Truppenteile an die deutsche Gren...

Aktentitel:

Mitteilung des OKH über die Verschiebung französischer Truppenteile an die deutsche Grenze (mit Zeittafel); Richtlinien vom Reichskriegsminister und Oberbefehlshaber der Wehrmacht W. von Blomberg für die Behandlung aktueller Wehrmachtsfragen in Presse, Bild und Film; Friedensgliederung der französischen Artillerie u.a. Dokumente.

Annotation:

Mitteilung des OKH über die Verschiebung französischer Truppenteile an die deutsche Grenze (mit Zeittafel); Richtlinien vom Reichskriegsminister und Oberbefehlshaber der Wehrmacht W.von Blomberg für die Behandlung aktueller Wehrmachtsfragen in Presse, Bild und Film; Friedensgliederung der französischen Artillerie; Erlaß über die Verhinderung von Ausschreitungen; vorläufige Richtlinien für die Verwendung der Wehrmacht im Reichsgebiet bei inneren Unruhen und öffentlichen Notständen; Erlaß betrff. Abwehr kommunistischer Zersetzung; Erlaß über die Heranziehung der politischen Schutzhäftlinge zum aktiven Wehrdienst; Bericht über dasMitteilung des OKH über die Verschiebung französischer Truppenteile an die deutsche Grenze (mit Zeittafel); Richtlinien vom Reichskriegsminister und Oberbefehlshaber der Wehrmacht W.von Blomberg für die Behandlung aktueller Wehrmachtsfragen in Presse, Bild und Film; Friedensgliederung der französischen Artillerie; Erlaß über die Verhinderung von Ausschreitungen; vorläufige Richtlinien für die Verwendung der Wehrmacht im Reichsgebiet bei inneren Unruhen und öffentlichen Notständen; Erlaß betrff. Abwehr kommunistischer Zersetzung; Erlaß über die Heranziehung der politischen Schutzhäftlinge zum aktiven Wehrdienst; Bericht über das Rundfunkkriegsspiel des Senders Moskau - Komintern. Rundfunkkriegsspiel des Senders Moskau - Komintern.

Kind regards,

Dan

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Update from my side: yes, the first one would certainly be possible - but I have gone a step further and wrote myself a script to leech that server... I have downloaded all of Catalog 12466 as a test (which seemed to produce the expected result) and will now continue with 12472.

At the moment, there is one directory per file with the individual pages in the correct sequencing and an XML file that holds the file's metadata (including the lengthier description you requested above.

I am back at work tomorrow but there is certainly stuff to play with...

Andreas

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Andreas, that makes me very happy indeed :) Is there some way in which I can help? I am ready and willing to, and I am sure a few others here are, too :)

Kind regards,

Dan

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Dan,

actually this is running much smoother than anticipated... so far, I grabbed

• Findbuch 12466 - Panzerarmeen
• Findbuch 12472 - AOK 1-10, 1937-1945
• Findbuch 12476 - Flakkorps und Flakdivisionen

Actually, the last one is just downloading. I intend to continue with 12461, 12478, 12485...

I need to find a way to convert the masses of JPGs to PDFs but that comes last, once I got all data... I am not sure if they will ignore me leeching or do something about it... but until then...

Andreas

PS: Happy to share afterwards

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Following your efforts with interest Andreas!

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

I have already started working 12476. For those interested, Akte 2 contains nearly 600 daily reports to and from I. Flakkorps in S Russia giving details on every single VVS aircraft claimed. There is soooo much of it that it would take someone about one year full time to record each and every one of them. Once again, these are German Flak claims and not fighter claims.

L.

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Larry, any positive identification of the Soviet arcraft shot down? Like serial/cosntroction number, or VVS unit (from prisoners)? Thanks.

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

OK, NOW I could use some help: I have downloaded approx. 150.000 individual pages so far. They are now sitting on my disk drive. I need to maintain a "technical" organization so when I repeat the process when new documents show up I don't download what I already got once more. Therefore, the organization is as follows:

1. Each Catalog has a directory within this folder, following the catalog's number (e.g. 12450, 12460, etc.)
2. Within each Catalog Directory, each file has its own sub-directory, identified by the file's ID (e.g. 5932, 5937, etc.) - this is the number you see when you are closely looking at the URL for each file - it goes http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/nodes/[XXXX]-[TITLE] where XXXX is the number I am referring to. I need to maintain these so I later know which files are new and which are not.
3. Within each file's directory are the individual pages - prefixed by a 7digit number I created just in case the pages are not coming "in sequence" - then a dash and then the actual page number as given by the server. Doing this guarantees the proper sequencing on the file system.
4. Last but not least, within each file's directory is one XML file that gives the file's metadata - Signature, Title, Annotation, Start- and Enddate, and number of pages (if provided)

To make downloads easier, in the folder I am sharing you fill find the structure described above but each catalog directory contains one ZIP File for each of the files contained (and the ZIP contains the directory and the individual pages) - so far so clear?

Here is the link to the folder. You need to navigate into the directory, then into any zip file and then use the download button from within to download the ZIP...

I am giving you 12476 tonight which is the Flakkorps and Flakdivisions - I need some folks to double-check the files you can grab against the website. In other words: if I give you a file, I need a few of you to grab some of them and make sure that I grabbed the file correctly: all pages included, metadata correct, zoom level as best as the server provides (I always picked level 8, I did not find a file I could zoom in more).

My computer will be zipping and uploading over the next hours... remember, these files are huge so this will take a while (despite my fast upload line). If you don't see the files, come back later...

Now, happy leeching and let me know what you find, good or bad so I know what I might have to correct...

Andreas

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Findbuch 12476 Akte 38 contains documents of Luftwaffengruppe Kaukasus. Besides flak this HQ had flying units under its control and standard information as daily number of sorties by unit, claims, losses etc. is available in Tagesabschlußmeldungen. For example there is some nice info about bombing missions flown by long-range recce unit 4.(F)/122. Also present in this folder are daily orders given by Luftwaffengruppe Kaukasus to flying units under its control

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Hi Dénes,

No, not with the ones I have seen so far. These are just Batterie und Abteilungen reports that give the date, time, altitude, probable VVS target, number of shells fired and either where the aircraft probable came down or the condition of the aircraft when it was last seen, i.e., smoke coming from the engine and losing altitude headed east. I'll keep you in mind if I come across any of the things you have an interest in.


L.

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Gentlefolks,

After providing "12476 - Flakkorps and Flakdivisionen" yesterday, I will add other catalogs today. So far, I only got one person giving me feedback via eMail, indicating that the small number of files checked seemed OK. So I assume, the process is working unless someone here proofs me wrong ;)

So I am adding

• Findbuch 12471 - Heeresgruppe E, F
• Findbuch 12487 - Unterlagen zu Kompanien der Wehrmacht
• Findbuch 12495 - Rückwärtige Heeres- und Armeegebiete der Wehrmacht
• Findbuch 12497 - Amt Ausland / Abwehr im OKW

In addition, "12474 - Armeekorps" is loading tonight and is automatically adding itself to the Dropbox link above. There will be 787 files to load so this one will take :)

When done with that, I will add "12450 - OKW" and "12451 - OKH" just for completeness (and because I need them in case they add to them later).

I did not mention it before but I will keep my files organized as the individual JPG per Page - but if you prefer PDF, you can easily create a PDF from the JPGs with a variety of (often free) tools.

Andreas

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Hi Dénes,

It seems Lfl.4's order 11.9.42 about Romanian aviation with the list of units and their strength would be interesting for you:
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/pages/862642/zooms/8
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/pages/862643/zooms/8
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/pages/862644/zooms/8

Best regards,
Andrey

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Thanks Andrey! Valuable docs.

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Dear all,

Can anybody tell me if any new Heeresgruppe Mitte Tagesmeldungen have been digitised in the German Russian Digitalisation project which contain Luftflotte 6 daily reports on the Nachtjagd employment in the first week of September 1943, and in the period of the second half of October 1943 till the end of 1943, and 1944? If so, in which file(s) can I find these?

Cheers and thanks, Theo

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

It certainly is of interest to me. Many thanks for pointing it out, Andrey!
Will have to check it against information coming from Rumanian archives.

If you will find anything related to the Rumanian, Hungarian, or Bulgarian aviation, please let me know.

Thanks, again.

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

OK

By the way, are Romanian archives available for the "man in the street"? And what is the name of archive with air force's and naval WW2 documents?

Best regards,
Andrey

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Thank you very much indeed, Andreas! This moment should become known as "the Great Germandocs Revolution" :)

I finally have some time today, so will download some files and will e-mail you if I find any problems among the files that I download.

Kind regards,

Dan

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Mikael,

You will be particularly interested in the following pages where problems with Do 17 operations are mentioned.

They come from the following document:

Akte 31. Unterlagen der Ia-Abteilung des Generalkommandos des I. Flakkorps: Anlagen zum KTB des Generalkommandos des I. Flakkorps, Band C – Lagemeldungen der Luftwaffengruppe Kaukasus, Feindlageberichte und Abschussmeldungen des Ic-Offiziers der Luftwaffengruppe u.a.

http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8

Larry,

Thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention. I would point out that the flak claims appear to be very inflated compared to true Soviet losses, so it will be difficult to match claims and losses in this case.

Kind regards,

Dan

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Dan - Inflated, yes; grossly overstated, yes; absurd, yes; but these claims sure made the Flak crews feel reeeeal good! :D

L.

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Thanks Dan!:D:wave:

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Agreed, Larry :) They needed every help they could get to keep their spirits up when their command was sending museum pieces to reinforce the sector:

"6 PZL 11 (Rum.) Begleitschutz für Ju 87"

http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8

"General Zander berichtet noch, dass die Nachtflugschule 3 von Wiener Neustadt unter Obstlt. Steinweg mit 40 Ju 86 nach der Kertsch-Halbinsel verlegt wird. 4 Maschinen sind bereits eingetroffen."

http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8

This information builds on that provided by Andrey about Nachtfluglehrgang 3 in a thread last August:
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?p=256473

You are welcome, Mikael!

Kind regards,

Dan

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Dan wrote in part:
"General Zander berichtet noch, dass die Nachtflugschule 3 von Wiener Neustadt unter Obstlt. Steinweg mit 40 Ju 86 nach der Kertsch-Halbinsel verlegt wird. 4 Maschinen sind bereits eingetroffen."


I've never seen even a hint that this transfer was ever carried out. I think we need some more information to corroborate this one.

L.

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

That's a valuable observation, Larry. In the loss records, there is no sign of any Ju 86 losses or accidents in the Crimea at this time. So they flew four Ju 86s there and then thought better of the idea?

There is also the mystery of what unit the words "die Nachtflugschule 3 von Wiener Neustadt" refer to. I thought that Blindflugschule 3 could be it, but your excellent database places it at Prag-Rusin - "BFS 3 (Jun 42 – Oct 43) then FFS B 33 (Oct 43 – Mar 45)". The unit at Wiener Neustadt was "FFS C Wiener Neustadt (Sep 39 – Jan 40), FFS C 8 (Jan 40 –Oct 43) then FFS B 8 (Oct 43 – Sep 44)". A certain "1. Behelfsnachtjagdlehrgang" was also at Wiener Neustadt for a time in autumn 1942, which I assume would have been training bomber crews to fly as auxiliary night fighters on the Eastern front. So the possibility emerges that the proposed operational deployment of Nachtflugschule 3 was some kind of joint endeavour by BFS 3 and FFS C 8, which eventually took the form of a small number of Ju 88s operating as Nachtfluglehrgang 3.

Kind regards,

Dan

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Dan H. -

KGr. z.b.V. 21 and 22 were the only two Transportgruppen to be equipped with the Ju 86 for use in Russia. Neither was ever based in North Caucasia or Crimea and both were disbanded on 20 January 1943. I believe they flew a few supply-dropping missions over N Cauc. and a couple of Ju 86s operated from Salsk in mid-January 1943, but that's it, AFIK. Nearly the entire fleet of Ju 86s in Russia was destroyed on the ground at Tatsinskaya on 24 December 1942, according to von Richthofen's diary.


KGr. z.b.V. 22
Kampfgruppe z.b.V. 22
(Unit Code: none)

Formation. (Nov 42)
Ordered to assemble and form at Zichenau (Ciechanów)/78 km NNW of Warsaw on 29 November 1942 and then proceed to Morosovskaya/202 km NE of Rostov to take part in the Stalingrad airlift operation. Consisted of a Gruppenstab and two Staffeln with a total of 14 Ju 86s temporarily taken from training schools and other units in Germany.1

South Russia. (Dec 42 - Jan 43)
Dec 42: plans changed shortly after formation and KGr. z.b.V. 22 was directed to Tatsinskaya instead of Morosovskaya, the two airfields being fairly close to each other.
12 Dec 42: operating from Tatsinskaya - Ju 86 (RB+NI) reported missing on a flight from Tatsinskaya to Stalingrad-Pitomnik and believed shot down, 100%, 3 MIA.
16 Dec 42: Ju 86 bombed on the ground at Fp. Stalingrad-Basargino, 100%.
16 Dec 42: Ju 86 (RD+RS) missing on a flight from Varbovka to Tatsinskaya, 100%, 4 MIA.
18-24 Dec 42: in the space of a week the Gruppe reported 14 Ju 86s destroyed and 6 more moderately to severely damaged, most of these victims of Russian air attacks on Tatsinskaya on 24 December, 2 KIA and 2 WIA.
27 Dec 42: Ju 86 destroyed on the ground by enemy fire at Fp. Kotelnikovo, 100%.
23 Jan 43: Ju 86 destroyed on the ground at Fp. Salsk to prevent capture by the approaching Russians.
26 Jan 43: Ju 86 crashed at Fp. Proskurov/W Ukraine due to engine trouble, 90%, 1 KIA and 2 WIA.
Jan 43: after being virtually wiped out the third week of December, aside from a couple of Ju 86s that survived and a couple of more that were unserviceable at Kotelnikovo and Salsk, the Gruppe was disbanded in January. The date of disbandment is unknown, but it was probably the same date KGr. z.b.V. 21 was ordered disbanded, 20 January 1943.


KGr. z.b.V. 21
Kampfgruppe z.b.V. 21
(Unit Code: none)

also as: KGr. z.b.V. S 21
KGr. 21
KGr. S 21

31 Jan 43: one of its last remaining Ju 86s was destroyed in a runway accident at Fp. Taganrog on this date, 100%.

L.

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Thank you very much for your summary of the short existence of KGr. z.b.V. 21 and 22, Larry. The place and date of formation, as well as the two Staffel organisation, were all hitherto unknown to me.

The losses on 24 December were caused primarily by an armoured raid by the Soviet 24th Tank Corps, see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatsin...field#Overview

and https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...tle_Saturn.png

I was going to suggest that the four aircraft of Nachtlehrgang 3 that were reported have arrived in the Crimea might have been sent to reinforce the existing Ju 86 transport units. Effectively, you got there first :) I will add here that the biography of Oberleutnant Aicher from your and Doug's great Career Summaries database would suggest that Nachtfluglehrgang 3 did function as a Ju 86 combat unit, though later in the war. 3./Einsatzgruppe BFS 2, the apparent successor unit of Nachtfluglehrgang 3, was a Ju 86 anti-partisan Staffel.

"AICHER, Egon. (DOB: 14.07.18 in Rosenheim). (W.B.K. München II). 1940 assigned to Lg.Kdo. III.26.07.41 trf to FFS C 8 as an instructor. 01.07.42 RDA as Oblt. 15.02.43 Oblt., Staka 2./Nachtfluglehrgang 4 (to 05.04.43). 20.05.43 trf to BFS 3 Prag-Rusin as an instructor. 11.06.43 Oblt., Staka Nachtfluglehrgang 3 (to 05.09.43). 06.09.43 Oblt., appt Staka 3./Einsatzgruppe BFS 2 (to 16.11.43). 17.11.43 Oblt., appt Staka 3./Eins.Gr.d.2.Fl.Schuldiv. (to 14.06.44). 15.06.44 trf to FFS B33 as an instructor. 03.08.44 trf to NJG 101 as an instructor. 11.10.44 trf to 3./NJG 101. 06/07.12.44 Oblt., 3./NJG 101. 04.45 MIA - in Czechoslovakia? Credited with one victory. [Name changed from AICHLER]"

Kind regards,

Dan

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Thanks, Dan! In the meantime, I think I may have found it:

Nachtfluglehrgang 3

21 Jan 43: based in Crimea with 9(5) aircraft under Luftwaffengruppe Kaukasus. It was being used operationally over the Taman Peninsula on this date. No further information.
[Sources: J.S.Hayward - Stopped at Stalingrad: The Luftwaffe and Hitler’s Defeat in the East 1942-1943 (Lawrence (KS): Univ. Press of Kansas, 1998), pp.181 and 360.]

Although our friend (sic!) Professor Hayward makes no mention of Ju 86s, this almost certainly has to be the right unit. What do you think?

L.

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

You are welcome, Larry. I should have typed up the information in the links previously provided by Andrey - http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showpo...92&postcount=8

In short, Nachtfluglehrgang 3 did exist and did fly bomber missions from the Crimea. It has the four Ju 86 aircraft mentioned above, but it is not clear if these were involved in combat operations. The Ju 88s certainly were.

Addendum:
The Ju 86s were used in combat, see example below:

"Nachtrag zur Tagesabschlussmeldung vom 8.1.43.:
Lw. Stab. Krim: 2 Nachtstörangriffe mit 1 Ju 86 und 1 FW 58 auf Gelendshik."

http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8

End of Addendum


"Nachtfluglehrgang 3 des Chef A. W. (Einsatzhafen Bagerowo) wird Lw. Stab Krim für die Durchführung von Nachtstörangriffen im Rahmen seiner Nachtflugausbildung einsatzmässig unterstellt.

...

Zur Verstärkung des Einsatzes des Nachtfluglehrganges 3 werden diesem durch Lfl. Kdo. 4, G. Qu. 5 Ju 88 A-4 zugewiesen. Abholung durch Nachtfluglehrgang."

http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8

"Der Nachtfluglehrgang 3 ist

a) materiell: mit 5 Ju 88 (davon 2 Maschinen einsatzbereit, die Restl. noch in Reparatur) und 4 Ju 86.
b) personell: mit 6 Lehrbesatzungen (sowohl für Ju 86 als auch für Ju 88 ausgebildet) und 4 Schülerbesatzungen eingetroffen, die restlichen 4 Schülerbesatzungen sind in etwa 4 Wochen zu erwarten. Mithin sind höchstens 6 Maschinen täglich einsatzbereit."

http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8

There is some similarity with the Chef-Ausbildungswesen (A.W.) – Gruppe (Einsatzkampfgruppe Ju 88) mentioned in a post from 2006 by byron, a member of this forum http://forum.balsi.de/index.php?topic=2933.0
and discussed by you and Doug on page 386 of the second volume of your Bomber Units reference work

Kind regards,

Dan

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

I am trying to trace my father's WW2 steps in the Flak business. When sifting through the thousands of newly published Flak-pages, I might oversee vital information. That's why I kindly ask you when researching the Flak-documents whether you come across the following units:
- 9./II./23 FlakRgt which belonged to 12th FlakDiv, time of interest: from Jan 1943 until Nov 1943
- Stab (HQ) 12th FlakDiv; time of interest Nov 1943 and
- Stab (HQ) LFKdo 6 from Nov 1943 until Aug 1944

Thanks for your attention!

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

II./Flak-Rgt. 23 (gem. mot.)


Formed 1 October 1935 at Rudolfstadt as a leichte (light) Flak-Abteilung with a Stab and three batteries (numbered 6. – 8.). Initially used the cover designation Fahr-Abteilung Rudolstadt. Disbanded on 31 March 1937. Re-established on 1 March 1939 at Komotau (Chomutov/c.83 km NW of Prague in Czechoslovakia) with a Stab and five batteries (numbered 6. – 10.).1
History
1935-37: during its first formation, it was assigned to Höh.Kdr.d.Flakartillerie in Luftkreis III (Senior Commander of Antiaircraft Artillery in Air District III).
Sep 39: campaign in south Poland under Koluft AOK 10.
May 40: following the campaign in Poland, returned to Germany and participated in the attack on France.
Nov – Dec 40: transferred from France to Hamburg to refit.
22 Jun 41: supported Panzergruppe 4 for the advance into Russia on the northern sector toward Pskov, Lake Ilmen and Leningrad, but its exact line of advance has not yet been determined. It probably redeployed with Panzergruppe 4 to the Roslavl area at the end of September for the attack on Moscow.
13 Jan 42: at Askerovo (near Yukhnov) under 12. Flak-Div.
22 May 42: at Pustaya or Puztaya (possibly in the Roslavl’ area) under 12. Flak-Div.
26 Oct 42: at Chiplayevo under Flak-Rgt. 134/12. Flak-Div.
26 Dec 42: at Dankino/NE of Smolensk under 18. Flak-Div.
Feb 43: Orel under Flak-Rgt. 101/12. Flak-Div.
Mar 43: Seshchinskaya airfield under Flak-Rgt. 21/12. Flak-Div.
Jun 43: Kromy/38 km SSW of Orel under Flak-Rgt. 21/12. Flak-Div.
Jul 43: Dobryn’/47 km SSW of Orel under Flak-Rgt. 134/12. Flak-Div.
Sep – Dec 43: not identified in front documents and believed to have withdrawn to a rear area to rest and refit.
1 Jan 44: Luniniec/E Poland under Flak-Rgt. 125/23. Flak-Div.
Feb 44: transferred from Central Russia, where it had been since October 1941, to North Russia and assigned to Flak-Rgt. 182/2. Flak-Div. in the Luga-Pskov area on the Leningrad front. Subordination unchanged through Jul 44. Supported AOK 18 units during the retreat from the Leningrad perimeter to defensive positions around Pskov, at the south end of Lake Peipus and southeastern Estonia through July.
Aug 44: briefly under Flak-Rgt. 41/6. Flak-Div.
Sep – Nov 44: again under 2. Flak-Div., took part in the fighting retreat from Estonia through Latvia to the Kurland (Courland) region in northwestern Latvia.
Dec 44 – May 45: it remained trapped in the Kurland pocket until the end of the war.
FpNs: Stab (L 18359), 6. (L 16682), 7. (L 18294), 8. (L 05302), 9. (L 15184), 10. (L 13880), Kolonne (L 07104).
Kommandeur:
Obstlt. Kurt Wagner (1 Oct 35 - 31 Mar 37)
Obstlt. Johannes Kördel (10 Sep 39 - 23 Apr 41)
Maj. Fritz Winkler (c.1 May 41 - 30 Nov 42)
Obstlt. Rudolf Schwarze (1 Dec 42 - 9 May 43)
Maj. Wilhelm Jürgens (16 May 43 - 14 Feb 44) WIA


Gefechtsstand/12. Flak-Division

3.11.1943: in Bobruisk and still there on 1,1,1944.

Gefechtsstand/Luftflottenkommando 6

Go here: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/


L.




© by Henry L. deZeng IV (Work in Progress).
(1st Draft 2008)

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Dan History wrote in part:
My fault for being in a rush! I should have taken my time and read Andrey's thread. "Haste make waste!" "A stitch in time saves nine!" At least that's what my old and long deceased grandmother (DOB: 1879) used to say. :rolleyes:

L.

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Thank you so very much for your valuable information. A lot of new locations for me....
The TSAMO docs on Flak (for me) unfortunately deal only with I. Flakkorps.

My father was actively participating in the battle of Kursk as a Battery Commander 9./23...….

Re: German docs in TSAMO
 

Don't worry, Larry, your short history of the flak Abteilung shows that the 'Larry de Zeng archive' is still the world's best source of information about the Luftwaffe :)

Kind regards,

Dan