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Roger Gaemperle 3rd December 2019 19:02

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
No, that’s the same Ju 88 C-6 of which I published a photo in my Captured Eagle book together with a color profile from Simon Schatz. I wonder where these photos were taken.

Pegasus123 3rd December 2019 19:04

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Thank you Roger.

Something more serious: Out of interest I bought the picture in post #2581, a BV138 on a lake/ river after the sourrender. Text on the backside: "Germany, Hersfeld, 1945". As I see on google maps, Hersfeld is in Central Germany/Northern Hessen, and there's the river "Fulda". Seen from the air, it seems almost impossible to me to land a BV138 there.
Can anyone confirm the spot or the landing?
Best regards
Harry

ChristianK 3rd December 2019 19:17

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Roger,
The Fw 200 from the same set of photos as your Ju 88 looks like D-AARB "Rheinland" which was supposedly captured at Pocking. So this might be the location of the airfield (even though the photos above are very blurry, so I might be totally wrong here).


Cheers,
Christian

Roger Gaemperle 4th December 2019 10:17

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Hi Christian,

Thank you. There is now a new photo listed that clearly shows 'Lufthansa' and the Lufthansa emblem on the fuselage. It looks as if this is indeed D-AARB.

Cheers,
Roger

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ouidjat 4th December 2019 12:53

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Thank you Rudi,
Same seller, same album, same Pocking ? Looks like a Bf 109 G-10, doesn't it?

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RT 4th December 2019 16:44

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Post 2738- Ju 52/6298 given as 4F+MO !!!, plane of the III.TG4 Capodichino

...
Rémi

Roger Gaemperle 4th December 2019 18:41

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChristianK (Post 278815)
Roger,
The Fw 200 from the same set of photos as your Ju 88 looks like D-AARB "Rheinland" which was supposedly captured at Pocking. So this might be the location of the airfield (even though the photos above are very blurry, so I might be totally wrong here).


Cheers,
Christian

Pocking makes sense indeed. The Ju 88 C-6 most likely belonged to 3.(F)/33. From the description in my book:

"3./(F)33 had operated in Greece and Hungary under Luftflotte 4 before it went back to the Reich just before the end of the war. (...) At the end of March 1945 the Staffel began its retreat from Hungary via Götzendorf and Markersdorf in Austria to Kirchham in southern Germany, where it arrived on April 9, 1945. One day later, the Oberkommando der Luftwaffe (OKL) ordered its disbandment. It may well be that it was at one of these airfields in Austria or Germany where this photo was taken."

Kircham was less than 10 kilometers from Pocking. According to ww2.dk there was a grass airfield with a surface of ca. 825 x 730 meters (900 x 800 yards). Pocking also had a grass airfield. Can we ID the airfield where these photos were taken as Pocking without a doubt or may these aircraft have been found at Kirchham instead?

Cheers, Roger

ChristianK 4th December 2019 19:49

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At least I don't have any definitive proof that Pocking is the correct airfield. I think I read about the final location of D-AARB in Pocking somewhere in one or two old magazines. Since then I have all photos of this plane in my collection labeled accordingly. But of course this is no proof. Maybe some actual documents are out there anywhere?

gawebster 5th December 2019 07:05

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Ju-88 landed at US captured air port at end of war

Simon Schatz 5th December 2019 12:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gawebster (Post 278877)
Ju-88 landed at US captured air port at end of war


Rare shot, thank you. It's a Ju 88 with Jumo 213A. If I remember right, this should be Ju 88 V-18. May I ask for the source of your photograph?

Snautzer 5th December 2019 13:22

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gawebster 5th December 2019 15:35

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This image of the Ju-88 is from the family of Capt. Quigley (do not recall first name right now). He was a B-26 Pilot during the war and after the war flew US Air Technical Teams across Germany as they collected German Technology. Family was kind enough to share his photos with me.

gawebster 5th December 2019 15:41

Captured german planes
 
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Here are a couple additional photos from Capt. Quigley.

ouidjat 5th December 2019 16:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gawebster (Post 278895)
Here are a couple additional photos from Capt. Quigley.

Thank you so much Gawebster!
Cheers,
Franck.

Simon Schatz 5th December 2019 16:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gawebster (Post 278895)
Here are a couple additional photos from Capt. Quigley.


Great, thank you very much for the additional ones. I have sent you a PM.
Cheers, Simon

Steve Coates 5th December 2019 16:43

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Simon

I'm not sure exactly what you're after but the bulk of Quigley's photos were taken at St. Dizier and there are no Do 335s amongst them.

Steve

Rabe Anton 5th December 2019 17:25

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In re No. 2731, Ju 52/em WNr.6298:


This aircraft was found at Fl.Pl. Pomigliano, Italy. See HQ Twelfth AF A-2 Capt. Intell. Tech. Rept. No. 177, p. 1, Entry No. 1223, 19.10.43.


RA

Rottler 5th December 2019 20:30

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Gen.Qu. loss return 22 Aug 1943 item 113:
12.7. III./TG 4 kein Feindflug, Ort: Pomigliano, Ursache: Zusammenstoß bei Landung (s. lfd. Nr. 114) Ju 52 6298 15%.
Gen.Qu. loss return 22 Aug 1943 item 114:
12.7. III./TG 4 kein Feindflug, Ort: Pomigliano, Ursache: Zusammenstoß bei Landung (s. lfd. Nr. 113) Ju 52 10054 15%.

Regards
Leo

RT 6th December 2019 11:59

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But later damaged
14 8 43 2 III TG4 F Capodichino FP Bombenwurf JU52 6298 40 %

But picture show a plane that hv been cut with some sawing device ..
Rémi

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Nick Beale 8th December 2019 15:05

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Re post #2755, note the Ar 234 in the background. Any idea where this was?

Roger Gaemperle 8th December 2019 15:26

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
I’d say it is Munich Riem.

Marc-André Haldimann 8th December 2019 18:43

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Gaemperle (Post 279081)
I’d say it is Munich Riem.

Thanks, Roger, I was thinking along that line too. One of the two 1./(F)AGr. 100 machines destroyed by strafing there on 9 April 1945 ? We also have Ar 234 C-3 W.Nr. 250 006 found there in May 1945.

Cheers
Marc

Nick Beale 8th December 2019 19:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Gaemperle (Post 279081)
I’d say it is Munich Riem.

Thanks Roger,

I was thinking Southern Germany because of the Ju 87 also present. I cleaned up the photo slightly and it looks as if there's a coloured fuselage letter on the Arado. At Riem 1.(F)/100 is a near-certainty and this fits their style of markings.


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