Re: Hooton's Luftwaffe Loss Totals - request for clarification
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Now I understand the point about the war diary! Quote:
Here's all the loss data extracted from the ADI(K) report mentioned above: br All 44 br Dec 44 br Jan 45 br Feb 45 Day Fighters br 2291 br 315 br 152 br 30 Night Fighters br 664 br 94 br 47 br 47 Attacks on Airfields br 2110 br 142 br 87 br no data Western Front Day br 2996 br 675 br 427 br 168 Western Front Night br 1074 br 160 br 50 br 21 Luftflotte 4 br 1055 br 82 br 103 br 62 Luftflotte 6 br 889 br 26 br 229 br 376 Luftflotte 1 br 460 br 23 br 4 br 12 Norway br 68 br 4 br 12 br 29 Finland br 153 br 5 br 0 br 0 Denmark br 1 br 5 br 1 br 0 Italy br 966 br 7 br 3 br 5 Total br 12727 br 1538 br 1115 br no data Without ground attacks br 10617 br 1396 br 1028 br 750 Total East br 2557 br 136 br 336 br 450 Total West br 8060 br 1260 br 692 br 300 Paul Thompson |
Re: Hooton's Luftwaffe Loss Totals - request for clarification
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2) Sorry, I was referring to AndreasB and Andreas Brekken. Hopefully that ends the confusion! Below is a summation of all Luftwaffe losses through March 1945, which I think is essentially identical to the one was put up on this forum by Andreas Brekken some years ago. Aircraft Losses and Damage Total for All types from September 1939 to March 1945 November and December 1941 data missing Missing over German territory 15015 Destroyed by Flak over German territory (German-controlled territory?) 2598 Damaged by Flak and requiring replacement 991 Destroyed by Fighters 12111 Damaged by Fighters and requiring replacement 2191 Destroyed by Ground fire 229 Damaged by Ground fire 80 Destroyed by Bombs 4216 Damaged by Bombs 734 Total losses to enemy action 34169 Aircraft damaged by enemy action requiring replacement 3996 Total losses without enemy action 21228 Aircraft damaged without enemy action requiring replacement 11411 Paul Thompson |
Re: Hooton's Luftwaffe Loss Totals - request for clarification
Unfortunately, there is no loss information in the ADI(K)s apart from that included in Book 21. At Kew, the information, as Nick indicated, is in AIR 40/2423, ADI(K) 351 GAF Operations, Claims and Losses, 1944 - February 1945 also 352 Establishment, Strength, Serviceability and Losses of GAF Flying Units, 1938 to December 1944 and finally 366 GAF Aircrew and Aircraft Losses, September 1939 - January 1945.
The only other item of interest, although not containing any loss information is in AIR 20/7706, AHB translation VII/107 Luftwaffe Strength and Serviceability Tables August 1938 - April 1945. Does anyone have any ideas as to where else to look? Paul Thompson |
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A.D.I.(K) Report No.366/1945 GAF Aircrew and Aircraft Losses to 10.1.45 Period 1.9.39 to 10.1.45 Operational Aircraft Written off (over 60% damaged) 40613 (1774) Aircraft Damaged 20492 (820) Non-Operational Aircraft Written off (over 60% damaged) 10457 (1043) Aircraft Damaged 15171 (1614) Schools and Other Stations Aircraft Written off (over 60% damaged) 11442 (5659)* Aircraft Damaged 9931 (5537)* The figures given in brackets ( ) show the number of school and training aircraft and miscellaneous non-operational types included in the totals The figures given in brackets ( )* show the numbers of operational types included in the total losses at schools and other stations For ease of reference, http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showpo...33&postcount=2 is Andreas Brekken's post from the 21st September 2009. Are there any ideas as to other sources which may be useful? Paul Thompson |
Re: Hooton's Luftwaffe Loss Totals - request for clarification
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Re AHB 6 data at Duxford, there are many tins of films of original documents. I have looked at all of them any you will not find loss data on them.. Most of them are Flak Regiment KTB just listing the daily numbers od Allied Bombers noted. Regards Tony |
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Are you sure this is the case for all of the films? To cite the clearest example, Tin 30 contains a document named "GAF sorties and losses". They also have the 6th Abteilung lists, but those are of course not relevant to the question of loss totals. Did you make any notes about the scope of Tin 30? Regards Paul Thompson |
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I looked at every frame on every film, including tin 30, I was in particular looking for loss data and there isn't anything here in AHB 6. Regards Tony |
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1) Did you look anywhere else for loss data and if so, did you find anything? 2) What does Tin 30 contain? Regards, Paul Thompson |
Re: Hooton's Luftwaffe Loss Totals - request for clarification
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There are well over 100-150 tins fot AHB 6 and I found one loss in a Flak KTB in 1944, an He 111 with c/n and serial. Other tins had KTB for NJG units with say 4 bombers shot down, own losses 1 x Bf 110 and 1 X Bf 109, no c/n or serials, crew names given but I have no interest in these. I started at Tin 1 and worked through to the last one, it took 5 visits. I was very disappointed with AHB 6 no detail whatsoever of a/c. The are a series of films "Luftwaffe Situation Reports" from 1938 to end of 1942, plenty of pilot names but no c/n data. Each film has nearly a 1000 pages, all original documents. There are bound volumes of RAF Intelligence daily reports, many losses for both sides but no c/n or serial apart from one Seenots a/c. I took copies up to the end of BoB, and a loss chart in 1944. I have just given this data to Steve Sheridan (on TOCH) and by now he may have studied it to see if it gives new data. There are the Milch films, original minutes of all his meetings on production etc. There are lots of Rechlin reports etc, especially for Me 262 and other jets. There is the Mintech Collection of say 2,000 films, the same collection as in Washington. Duxford has films missing in Silver Hill Washington and thye have films missing at Duxford. We looked at very on of these films We made about 75 visits and looked at nearly everything there. Regards Tony |
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