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Snautzer 5th August 2017 13:09

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Ju88 wrkn 1115 wreck , tail only
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-photo-US...r/282591264402

edNorth 5th August 2017 22:48

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Ju 88 A-4 Foggia Italy (0880141115 ex-I/KG 54) or
Ju 88 (R-2) Beauvais-Tilly (751115 ex-2./NJG 4)

Snautzer 6th August 2017 13:24

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Thanks Ed. To judge by the uniform i would say Italy.

Marc-André Haldimann 7th August 2017 09:29

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Here a nice series of shots taken at Salzwedel in May 1945, with some JG 301 Fw 190's:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/704-WWII-Pho...YAAOSwVbxZho9N
http://www.ebay.com/itm/716-WWII-Pho...8AAOSwnsZZhpHY
http://www.ebay.com/itm/713-WWII-Pho...AAAOSw0cdZhpEw
http://www.ebay.com/itm/710-WWII-Pho...YAAOSwL5pZhpCQ
http://www.ebay.com/itm/711-WWII-Pho...oAAOSwjkVZhpDN
http://www.ebay.com/itm/712-WWII-Pho...MAAOSw8FtZhpDz
http://www.ebay.com/itm/703-WWII-Pho...MAAOSwWhRZho8Q
http://www.ebay.com/itm/717-WWII-Pho...sAAOSwEFZZhpIH

Fw 190 A-8 W.Nr. 176 055 "Gelbe 5", JG 301, Salzwedel
http://www.ebay.com/itm/709-WWII-Pho...YAAOSwDrlZhpBX

And some Go 242's, also at Salzwedel:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/707-WWII-Pho...QAAOSwKzpZho~5
http://www.ebay.com/itm/706-WWII-Pho...IAAOSwNFVZho-1
http://www.ebay.com/itm/705-WWII-Pho...AAAOSwL5pZho99

A lone Ar 96, Salzwedel
http://www.ebay.com/itm/715-WWII-Pho...4AAOSwIclZhpGY

Cheers
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 7th August 2017 09:29

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Fw 190, unit and location unknown.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/702-WWII-Pho...4AAOSw9fNZho7j

S Sheflin 7th August 2017 21:36

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Hello Marc,

Thanks again for these interesting new Salzwedel photos and all of your hard work.

Respectfully,

Steve Sheflin

Snautzer 8th August 2017 13:11

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Jugoslav air force Ju52 1971

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AAC-1-JUNKER...1/162612511207

Marc-André Haldimann 8th August 2017 19:02

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Hello Steve,

You're most welcome; it is great to piece together collectively all the Luftwaffe paraphernalia found by the Allies as they progressed in Germany.

Thank you also for all the precious background informations you share with us here.

Sincerely
Marc

Snautzer 10th August 2017 12:46

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Fw190, Salzwedel

http://www.ebay.com/itm/710-WWII-Pho...l/362062601400

Snautzer 10th August 2017 12:48

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another fw190 Salzwedel
http://www.ebay.com/itm/711-WWII-Pho...oAAOSwjkVZhpDN

RudiS 10th August 2017 15:42

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4 Photos of Ju 88 ??+ZH:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-Lot-of-4...19.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Rudi.

Nick Beale 10th August 2017 18:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RudiS (Post 237928)
4 Photos of Ju 88 ??+ZH:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-Lot-of-4...19.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Rudi.

Quite likely it was the one described in this thread: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=16778

starmountain 11th August 2017 17:06

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Hello Steve,
what is your source of the information of the W34?
Ju W34 WNr. 005753, PF+AG (AG = o/l white), abandoned, fuselage only on belly in junkyard, Industriehafen Wenzendorf, Germany, after 45/05/08

regards,

starmountain

Stig Jarlevik 11th August 2017 20:44

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Starmountain

What are you referring to?
Also please explain your WNr source since I cannot find anything even close to 005753 for any W 34.

Cheers
Stig

S Sheflin 11th August 2017 22:42

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Hi Starmountain,

What you have here is a stupid error on my part. I am humbly sorry.

Respectfully,

Steve Sheflin

Snautzer 12th August 2017 12:38

wrknr 171717, wreck, tail either
Fw190A-8, WNr.171717 as being found at Trier-Euren or Fw190A-8/R6 WNr.171717 built Focke-Wulf Flugzeugbau GmbH, Cottbus, August 1944

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VTG-Rare-Ori...EAAOSw95FZaBU-

Ju88 nightfighter 3C+FR

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-VTG-Ori...IAAOSwkttZaBOQ

Bulgarian Ju87.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-VTG-W...kAAOSwPH9Zh9VR

Me262

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Gro...QAAOSwtH5ZlMfN

Hungarian Bf109G-6

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-VTG-W...YAAOSwcYxZkoPo

Bulgarian Bu181
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-VTG-W...MAAOSwk-pZkmFG

Bulgarian Bf109
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-VTG-W...kAAOSw8D5ZkmQN

Fw190 and 2x Ju88 nightfighter

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Per...wAAOSwp4VZk82j

What do you mean with lifting? stealing? There are quite a few pictures along the sellers list that have Hungarian interest.

Me 262

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-WWII-CA...UAAOSwOTVZl5BG

Bulgarian Do17 with teeth marking
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-VTG-W...QAAOSwLIhZiSZo

Richey4Real 13th August 2017 19:31

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US captured 190

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-Ca...AAAOSwBpxZj5Nf

Marc-André Haldimann 17th August 2017 17:22

Those machines - Fw 190 and Ju 88 G-1 W.Nr. 712 373 "3C+FR", 7./NJG 4, are depicted in Juvincourt, France, late 1944.

Cheers
Marc

As for the Hungarian Bf 109 G-6, this is a clear case of photo "lifting". It depicts the machine of Aladar de Heppes, an MWG-Györ built Bf 109 Ga-6, W.Nr. 95 220 "V8-12" depicted at Veszprém during the Summer of 1944. The photo stems from his personal collection.

Cheers
Marc

David E. Brown 19th August 2017 16:27

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Gents,

These photos of a Me 262 A-1b bomber – and that shown in post #260, above – are of the same machine. I suspect that it is from the 110000 werknummer series but the camouflage scheme and national markings have been significantly modified. I copy below information on another image of the machine that provides more background information:

http://www.planeaday.com/archives/2010_Nov.htm
November 8, 2010 - Messerschmitt Me 262
Per Joe Guzzo: "My father Michael Guzzo served in Europe during WW2, and I have a few pictures of him with a downed ME 262. He was in the 414th Medical Collecting Company and in May of 45 they wound up in Seeshaupt, Germany on Lake Starnberg. In the photo which was taken August 21, 1945 he is on the right of the aircraft with another soldier to the left and boy sitting on the engine. When they set up camp the 262 was there and from what I remember him saying is the townspeople set it up on blocks. He didn't know how or why it was there."


Cheers,

David

Snautzer 21st August 2017 13:05

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Me262 , wrknr 111691 , Fw190

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Original-W...oAAOSwrRlZmdmG

Marc-André Haldimann 21st August 2017 13:34

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Again a II./JG 301 machine ?

Thanks Michiel

Marc-André Haldimann 21st August 2017 13:57

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And here a known Me 262 A, I just can't remember unit and location:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-WWII-CA...UAAOSwOTVZl5BG

Marc-André Haldimann 21st August 2017 14:16

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Michiel,

Back to your question about what I meant under "lifted photos"; I do mean by this pics which are freely accessible under fair use conditions, and are "privatized" by some unscrupulous people to be sold as repros at eBay.

An exemple among others for this behavior is seller marwaj2 who regularly trawls the pics of my Flickr pages, pics his choice and then sells those pics including the captions for 3,99 Euros. Here is his latest "capture":
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Messerschmitt...cAAOSwgaxZdMSi

Actually, this photo - with three others - was sent 6 March 2016 to me directly by Martin Reiher, son of former Uffz. Gerhard Reiher, with the request I should upload them on Flickr for all to see. And there it goes merchandized....

Marc

RudiS 21st August 2017 14:41

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Photo of the tail of Me 262 WNr 111691 & 3 photos of a Fw 190:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Original-W...oAAOSwrRlZmdmG

Regards,
Rudi

Snautzer 21st August 2017 16:07

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RudiS pls take a look at post #260 and #261.

RudiS 21st August 2017 16:32

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Yep, my mistake.

Regards,
Rudi.

chuckschmitz 21st August 2017 16:39

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Just saw this one. Hopefully it has not been posted before.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-AVIATION....c100005.m1851

Chuck

Snautzer 21st August 2017 19:51

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Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-4 (KM+EY) of III./SKG 10 at El Aouina airport, Tunis, Tunisia, May 1943, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schnellkampfgeschwader_10

S Sheflin 21st August 2017 20:49

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Hello Snautzer,

First, thank you for your continued hard work and dedication.

Unless I am mistaken, the Fw 190 shown in Post #260 is Fw 190 A-8 (682989) 21+ — white ("—" = red o/l white, 900mm), 5./II./JG301, 45/05/08+, found abandoned at Fl.Horst Nürnberg.

Respectfully,


Steve Sheflin

Snautzer 21st August 2017 21:14

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source LEMB, Jerry Crandall
this is an A-8/R2 that originally had Sturmbock equipment but the fuselage armor plate has been removed; however, the additional 30 mm armoured glass is still installed in the windshield quarter panel. It also appears that it has the common VDM 9-12067 A metal propeller. The hastily applied White '2' matches "Red 22" the well known A-9, W. Nr. 490044, also of II./JG 301.

Werknr 682989 from II./JG301 was reported as non-operational at Erfurt-Bindersleben

Marc-André Haldimann 21st August 2017 22:30

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And a new Fw 190 D-9 shot: Fw 190 D-9 W.Nr. 210 037 "Rote 11", 12./JG 54, Eelde, Netherlands, May 1945. Source: photo Kenneth Richardson via www.thememoryproject.com.

http://datav2.thememoryproject.com/i...0_original.jpg

Cheers
Marc

S Sheflin 22nd August 2017 00:48

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Hello Snautzer,

You are correct regarding the location of Fw 190A-8 WNr. 682989 as being at Fl.Horst Erfurt-Bindersleben. I misread my location columns.

However, I still believe that we are looking at the same aircraft in these photos.

Respectfully,

Steve Sheflin

ouidjat 22nd August 2017 09:38

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http://datav2.thememoryproject.com/i...5_original.jpg

Snautzer 22nd August 2017 12:52

@Steve Sheflin, i wouldnt have bothered looking this bird up if you hadnt replied so thank you for that, and now i am at it, for all your input in this thread.
It is very much appreciated.

Ju52: http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-RARE-PH...kAAOxyYANTbKxn

Interesting tail http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-PHOTO-1...YAAOSwXYtY2B-q

Marc-André Haldimann 25th August 2017 14:26

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It is actually a french machine:

P.a.V: Poids ŕ vie , empty weight.
C.U. : charge utile, maximum load weight

Cheers
Marc

ouidjat 28th August 2017 09:42

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C.U. ...
Payload is better Marc :)
Cheers.

Snautzer 29th August 2017 11:12

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Origina...AOSw%7ERNZpNOm

Snautzer 29th August 2017 11:20

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Bulgarian Bf109G-6 coded X6
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-VTG-W...wAAOSwTSVZn0hi

Dénes Bernád 29th August 2017 11:37

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Well known repro photo, as all the other Bulgarian ones.

Snautzer 29th August 2017 22:15

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Thanks Dénes, i havent seen most of them as i suspect many members, but important to know nonetheless.


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