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In the above link we see a Fokker G.I in German markings posted to the Allied and Soviet Air Forces Board and yet looking at this link on the Luftwaffe Board at number 8 we see a document posted on 30 December at 01.16
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...49508&page=344 1. 1. You appear unable to differentiate between Dutch and German, much less read either. 2. 2. It even says in the seller’s description Dutch Air Force. 3. 3. The aircraft listed in the document are all clearly Dutch,Fokker G.1 are even mentioned, but then anyone actually interested in the Allied and Soviet Air Forces would know this and post on the appropriate board…Not the first time this has been an issue is it? Not a lot of consistency here is there? What was it you said ‘I have learned a lot here. I just want to add to the historical record.’Really, you seem intent on muddying the historical record,not adding to it. |
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your criticism of that photo posting by Ed West is both petty and unfounded. I feel it is equally valid in either section, Allied or German. If you want to criticise anyone then direct it at the sellers who mislabel their photos, sometimes deliberately it seems to inflate the price. I know we can sometimes be cranky and deflated after a Christmas season, but really.......! Ed, please keep up your excellent work, to the benefit of all of us - even the cranky ones ! Regards, Martin Gleeson. |
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Hello Martin,
Interesting that this reply is from you rather than the person to whom it is addressed .No matter, to proceed specifically with regard to the above post it does matter that the document be placed on the correct page. The reason being that to judge by the responses to posts on the German interest section shall we say between September and the New Year, the document may well have not been picked up at all by those interested. I have highlighted this document but the point has a wider validity, if your only search criteria is the word ‘Luftwaffe’, then much will be missed. Equally , a differentiation between what is interesting and what is not interesting becomes needlessly time consuming when the poster is incapable of making this judgement himself. This is exacerbated by a dreary spam like list of links with zero information as to what is under the links. Therefore the point made by the poster that ‘I have learned a lot here. I just want to add to the historical record.’ called as far as I am concerned for a response. I accept that you disagree. For you and for anyone else paste and go this link for quicker more informative information than provided by Ed West’s lists.. https://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_from...=15502&_sop=10 It goes without saying that those who do respond to Ed Wests posts are actually in a position to decide themselves what is or is not interesting and even search for and post the links themselves. Alas, Ed’s evident lack of interest compared to 95% of the board users would appear to preclude him from identifying and deciding what is or is not interesting. He would ‘like to add to the historical record’ but cannot. This would appear to be the obvious motive for the aforementioned spam lists.He is incapable of captioning his posts.Nor have his posts improved over time,the opposite is the case. I have posted to underline the fact that Ed West’s posts are uninformative and not user friendly. You have responded to defend him. I see no reason to doubt your motives or those of any others that defend him. Your post speaks well to your kindness and humanity. But are you actually doing him any favours, despite your best intentions? Please see this link http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=64476 Nick Beale has previously asked me to avoid unqualified medical statements and I shall follow his wishes here. It seems to me that in essence almost all posts on TOCH cover either aircraft or aircrew. I do wonder however, about a hypothetical case where a patient explained to a GP the purpose of TOCH and then stated that he believed these images fit the purpose of the board. Believe me I worry about my own declining mental abilities and have parents in their eighties. Therefore when I say that kind intentions and kind words while obviously always desirable may not be in a person’s best interest when their actions are contrary to their personal dignity and I hope that if my symptoms ever become too pronounced the moderator thanks me for what I have done, whether sincerely or not (!) and says it is time to stop. Regards, Clint |
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Hello Steve,
Thanks for your input. Unsurprisingly I do not agree with your take. To reiterate the West posts are unhelpful: 1. Because of their lack of information. 2. The inability of their poster to determine what is or is not relevant to the thread. 3. The lack of any idea of whether a post is interesting or not. Combine the above three elements and you have Luftwaffenspam. I have said in my last post in this thread that Martin’s sentiments reflect well on him as a human being and I might say the same of you. However, should your posts tend to convince Ed West that his post are not problematical, I question whether TOCH as a whole benefits. I tend to have long breaks here between bouts of posting and noticed instantly the degradation in the quality of posting upon my recent return. I feel this needs addressing. Clearly you disagree. To paraphrase the Marx Brothers, you don’t like the post I highlighted from the thread on 30th December at 01.16, I have others. So lets go through them one as increased exposure is welcome. Aircraft photos. Are these interesting? I don’t claim to know enough to judge, but the poster has not described what is shown and I don’t see what is interesting about the 109 photo or the Fi 156 of AufklGr.(H)/14, though the photo of the latter seems familiar. My argument, if posting help the viewer to decide whether to open by posting details. Book supposedly, no link. Definitely a book. What is it doing here? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_mistake Equipment. I really did think that this thread was for posting aircraft photos. Seems like another category error. The Dutch document in a Luftwaffe thread. I believe we’ve covered this. We seem to have a arrived at a situation where one poster, posts whatever he likes,whereever he likes regardless of whether interesting or not, seen before or not, relevant or not. The common link being that the seller has Luftwaffe in the title of the item. How has this situation arisen. I would argue precisely because almost everyone here on TOCH is a kind person and does not wish to address problems. This has let the problem worsen and at its worst as I previously stated leads to posts like this one. http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=64476 Regards, Clint |
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From Ed's Post 2920/21, 22,23.
Anyone know more about this Mosquito , note date on negative ? https://www.ebay.com/itm/155974507102 |
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I also enjoy browsing through the links Ed posts.
If you don't like them, just don't bother reading the thread. Over 90% of the threads on this forum are of absolutely no interest to me, so I don't open them - simple.... |
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Andy, I respect you and your contributions here. But I think I’d be correct in saying the bulk of responses to the thread ebay Allied Interest are from Stig, Bertrand and yourself. How much more interesting could this thread be if people such as yourselves (but also others) were posting the links. You know whether a photo is interesting or not and would be in a position to post such photos rather than simply posting photos at random which sometimes meet the thread description. The end result being a higher quality board. You are correct I could just ignore the posts by Ed West, but I’ve a desire to see improvement. As a fellow Englishman, though the same would apply, I think to posters of most nationalities here you can see we live in a failing state because the government (regardless of party) pretends to do its job, the media instead of addressing real issues fails to address them, both being products of a failing education system and the same failures are present through all hierarchically organised organisations in the country. A significant root cause of this is people not speaking out and thus the propagation of mass male cattle droppings in all areas of human activity. Well I can’t change these things, but I can speak out where I see pretence in areas where I am involved and I chose to do so here with regard to the quality of posted links to this thread . ‘No to mass male cattle droppings on TOCH.’ Regards, Clint |
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Clint,
I entirely respect your right to an opinion. But have you considered that Ed might not have either the time (or maybe the knowledge) to caption each link? I wouldn't know how to start trawling Ebay for photos, and neither would I be able to caption them all, as I don't know enough about most of the subject matter. In addition, I wouldn't have the time or the inclination, as I spend enough time on various forums as it is. To me, this format is an easy win. I get to see things of interest without having to do any work myself other than browsing the links. There is little point in discussing this further, as we're clearly not going to agree. However, as every other person who has commented has, like me, supported Ed, you can surely accept that you hold a minority view on this. Whether you continue to think "your view" is correct is entirely your right. Andy |
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I agree with Clint’s point that this would be a stronger thread if we all posted into it but, like you, I do not have the time or the skills to do this for the benefit of a wider audience. I quite like the lottery of never knowing quite what you will find here. I can confirm that posts in this thread and it’s equivalent in the Luftwaffe forum have led me to photos that I have subsequently added to my collection so I am very grateful to Ed and others who do make the effort to post here. Please carry on doing so. |
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#2933_8 Blenheim R3618 shot down near Éplessier on 8 June 1940 |
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Thanks Ed.
Second link is Battle L5540/JN-C of 150 Sqn, shot down on 10 May 1940 and force-landing in Luxembourg. 3 Crew POW. |
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#1 Battle P2200/GB-K of 105 Sqn, shot down by flak on 10 May 1940, again force-landing in Luxembourg. 3 Crew POW.
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Thanks Ed;
2939 : Must be R3742 YH-O 2940 : up left Bloch 174 n°19 ; unit unknown |
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You're welcome Bertrand.
Photo album - with one RAF aircraft on the ground. https://www.ebay.de/itm/116046175230...Bk9SR_CDg-GlYw |
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Thank you Ed,
This (to me) looks like a downed Spitfire. However the a/c letter and position of the Squadron Code is (to me) quite odd. Port Side of the a/c shows letter "J" aft of which is what looks like a painted out roundel . Aft of that is the Squadron Code "PM" and aft of that near to the fin and tail plane is a "new" roundel with a thin outer yellow ring. Cannot say that I have seen this type of markings before ? Alex |
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Based on my limited knowledge, I agree. A roundel was painted out and the letter J with the top bar is not typical. Best, Ed |
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#2943 : It is Fairey Battle PM-J_K9374 ; 25 photos of this a/c with no typical markings are known...
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#3 is Battle K9325 HA-D of 218 Sqn, lost on 11 May 1940.
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Thanks Ed ;
#2952_3 : Charleville ; left ANF Les Mureaux 117 R2 n°72 (X070) and right ANF Les Mureaux 117 R2B2 n°140 (X364) |
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Post 2952 - 1 is the well photographed but rather unknown type Bartel BM-5
Its serial number 53.48 showing up well, I think actually for the first time.... And of course Bertrand refers to photo 2952-2 (thanks for the IDs Bertrand!!) Cheers Stig |
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Hi all,
https://www.ebay.de/itm/134919031113...Bk9SR6y-gI6uYw Vickers Wellington B Mk. Ic - serial number R1379 KOoB from 115. SQ - more info: https://aircrewremembered.com/anderson-john.html https://115squadron-raf.be/crews/Wel...0-%20KO-B.html Faenor |
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Hi all,
N7577 85 Sqn Abandoned in France June 1940: https://www.ebay.de/itm/235424519772...86.c101224.m-1 More photos on the same group of wrecks: http://modelari.org/viewtopic.php?t=2564 Faenor |
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