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Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

AFAIK, the Me 262 shots are modern prints of well known photos made to look like old prints

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

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Originally Posted by Roger Gaemperle (Post 282732)

AFAIK, the Me 262 shots are modern prints of well known photos made to look like old prints

I was thinking along the same lines.

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

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Originally Posted by RudiS (Post 282859)

https://hyivea.am.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none

https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-64th-T...0AAOSwuOZeRfZ2

Erla built Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 15 381 "Schwarze 10", 2./JG 53, Comiso, after 13 July 1943. With my thanks to Saro Finocchiaro for pinpointing the location. 64th TCG was based at Comiso between August and September 1943.

Cheers
Marc

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Any thoughts about the large cylinder in the photo?

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Originally Posted by RudiS (Post 282939)

https://hygb4w.am.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none

https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-Photo-W...p2047675.l2557

Bf 109 G-6/R2 W.Nr. 230 785 "Gelbe 11", 3./NAGr. 13, Fritzlar, after 31 March 1945. W.Nr. courtesy of Steve Sheflin, TOCH Forum, 17 12 2011.

W.Nr. 230 785 is reported by ULTRA Hw5/686 as being at Fritzlar Werft on 30 March 1945 with 3./NAGr. 13. Information courtesy of Valentin Schoen, German Luftwaffe Losses and Claims Group, FB, 26 July 2019.

Cheers
Marc

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Post#3106
Why +Y? There are a lot of photos (including color films) on this aircraft and letter Y cannot be seen

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Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 282943)

According to the attached item (from HW 5/686) this W.Nr. belonged to an aircraft of 3./NAGr. 1, rather than NAGr. 13.

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Originally Posted by Matolion (Post 282945)

Post#3106
Why +Y? There are a lot of photos (including color films) on this aircraft and letter Y cannot be seen

"Y" was meant for "Yellow" on the original caption; it is indeed misleading, hence my correction.

Cheers
Marc

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Originally Posted by Nick Beale (Post 282958)

According to the attached item (from HW 5/686) this W.Nr. belonged to an aircraft of 3./NAGr. 1, rather than NAGr. 13.

Thanks for producing the original file, Nick. This settles the case.

Cheers
Marc

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Originally Posted by RudiS (Post 282999)

https://una2ma.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none

https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-US-GI-...oAAOSwR1FeSdtY

11./JG3 machine(?) a G-14/AS (?)
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Originally Posted by ouidjat (Post 283019)

11./JG3 machine(?) a G-14/AS (?)
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Is there the narrow red rear fuselage band to be seen just to the right of the GI's leg ? If yes, we have a good match ;) We have here another photo from the same machine, clearly a G-6, also from an eBay auction:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...EC9dybwQRptPJo

With my thanks to David Weiss for the photo and Roy-Magne Mo, over on Late war Bf 109's Group, FB, for matching both photos.

Cheers
Marc

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Ah, perfect. Thank you.
I forgot this one:

G-6. JG3.III.11. 'Gelbe 2'. WkNr.165000. St. André-de-l'Eure, 25 Août 1944.
Of course if 11./JG3 the code isn't red.

Regards,
Franck.

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Originally Posted by ouidjat (Post 283060)

Ah, perfect. Thank you.
I forgot this one:

G-6. JG3.III.11. 'Gelbe 2'. WkNr.165000. St. André-de-l'Eure, 25 Août 1944.
Of course if 11./JG3 the code isn't red.

Regards,
Franck.

Excellent ! Anders Hjortsberg does also narrow down on this one :)
Steve Sheflin found in CEA 257 a second "Gelbe 2" from 11./JG 3 at Saint-André-de l'Eure as well: WNF built W.Nr. 440760.

We now have to front those two valid candidates, W.Nr. 165000 and W.Nr. 440760, both from the same unit and at the same location.
- W.Nr. 165000 is said to be "Fuselage and engine only, tail torn off" (CEA 257).
- W.Nr. 440760 "listed as being a fuselage only" (CEA 257)

W.Nr. 165000 does offer an exact photographic match on the old eBay photo provided above tracked down by Roy-Magne Mo on my Flickr pages.
We are also sure that the current eBay offer does show the same machine, given the skin dent visible just ahead of the "Gelbe 2", clear to be seen on both shots.

Given those facts, the description given for W.Nr. 165000 is a 100% visual match versus the "fuselage only" given for W.Nr. 440760. I thus respectfully suggest we have on both photos W.Nr. 165000.

Cheers
Marc