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Chris Goss 16th July 2023 15:48

Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109T, Alfred Jakobi
 
Hptm Ochs had left 9./JG 3 by September 1940 so these are not really pertinent?

VtwinVince 16th July 2023 18:56

Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109T, Alfred Jakobi
 
That's true Chris, he led III. Gruppe stellvertretend after the wounding of Balthasar in September, then took over the Ergaenzungsstaffel at St. Jean d'Angeli.

knusel 17th July 2023 20:08

Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109T, Alfred Jakobi
 
Albrecht Ochs is one of only 6 airmen who achieved acedom only by a combined WW1+WW2 score. The others are Edouard Corniglion-Molinier, Alfred Helm, Alfred Müller, Robert Nast and Stanley Vincent.

VtwinVince 18th July 2023 18:35

Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109T, Alfred Jakobi
 
That's interesting, and what are the odds that two out of the three Germans served together in the same staffel?

Chris Goss 18th July 2023 19:11

Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109T, Alfred Jakobi
 
Alfred Müller was St Kap 4./JG 3 until 16 Aug 40 so presumably you are referring to Erg.Gr./JG 3?

richdlc 18th July 2023 19:22

Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109T, Alfred Jakobi
 
Have you guys checked our 'Graf Zeppelin's Eagles' book for answers to these questions?

knusel 19th July 2023 09:49

Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109T, Alfred Jakobi
 
I think they flew the Bf109E and this book is about the Bf109T. It might suffice to confirm if Alfred Jakobi is the top scorer of that subtype but it is currently unavailable in Switzerland.

VtwinVince 19th July 2023 18:41

Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109T, Alfred Jakobi
 
Chris, I'm referring to 4. JG3, which Mueller was CO of during the French campaign. My uncle was attached to the unit as supernumerary Kapitaen to gain combat experience.

Chris Goss 19th July 2023 20:49

Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109T, Alfred Jakobi
 
Ah.............

knusel 20th July 2023 09:45

Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109T, Alfred Jakobi
 
Hello Chris and Vince,

Alfred W. Müller scored 2 or 3 kills in WW1. It would be intrigueing to see if his WW2 kills were counted as numbers 3-5 oder 4-6.

Have a good Thursday,

Michael


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