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Alex Smart 22nd January 2025 20:51

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Hi Stig,
Those "8's"sure look like "9's" to me I even enlarged the picture to make sure ,also wondered about what looked like Sqdn code "RT"?. However I bow to your expertise.
So L8857, RT⊙T it is
All the very best for 2025
Alex

edwest2 22nd January 2025 23:21

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/296956150393...Bk9SR8KY4oCSZQ

Faenor 23rd January 2025 09:12

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Hi all,

I have this Blenheim like L8857 too.

More photo from e-bay:
https://modelari.org/viewtopic.php?t=3080

Faenor

AndyMa 23rd January 2025 23:10

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Is this confirmed as RT-T?
All photos I have seen only show RT on both sides (on the left side the squadron code is to the rear)

edwest2 25th January 2025 19:01

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/276827298411...Bk9SR_bC9ZeTZQ

edwest2 26th January 2025 20:21

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/126902461699...Bk9SR77gh_CTZQ
https://www.ebay.de/itm/196972141428...Bk9SR5bv87-UZQ

AndyMa 27th January 2025 05:21

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Thanks Ed.
Second one is Battle K9273/HA-R of 218 Sqn, abandoned at Auberive 15th May 40.

edwest2 27th January 2025 23:09

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You're welcome Andy.


https://www.ebay.de/itm/316164285433...Bk9SR4D-pJyVZQ
https://www.ebay.de/itm/296969197483...Bk9SR4D-pJyVZQ

edwest2 30th January 2025 21:13

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  1. https://www.ebay.de/itm/396161770464...Bk9SR8bu-oyXZQ
  2. https://www.ebay.de/itm/396161767477...Bk9SR8bu-oyXZQ
  3. https://www.ebay.de/itm/396161767026...Bk9SR8ju-oyXZQ
  4. https://www.ebay.de/itm/356516504061...Bk9SR8zu-oyXZQ
  5. Publication
  6. https://www.ebay.de/itm/176814268855...Bk9SR7y84YyXZQ
  7. https://www.ebay.de/itm/176814258485...Bk9SR7y84YyXZQ

edwest2 2nd February 2025 19:36

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/375931972786...Bk9SR9TahP6YZQ
https://www.ebay.de/itm/126889930113...Bk9SR9TahP6YZQ
https://www.ebay.de/itm/146364734548...Bk9SR-SrrP6YZQ
https://www.ebay.de/itm/316173366473...Bk9SR6zH4v6YZQ

edwest2 2nd February 2025 21:51

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  1. https://www.ebay.com/itm/37596290291...Bk9SR-rayYWZZQ
  2. https://www.ebay.com/itm/146356880091
  3. https://www.ebay.com/itm/226569732507
  4. https://www.ebay.com/itm/226569730556
  5. https://www.ebay.com/itm/146356866575
  6. https://www.ebay.com/itm/146326821140
  7. https://www.ebay.com/itm/146326820857
  8. https://www.ebay.com/itm/226539295516
  9. Document
  10. https://www.ebay.com/itm/146323511410
  11. Off topic
  12. https://www.ebay.com/itm/37596290252...Bk9SR-rayYWZZQ
  13. https://www.ebay.com/itm/226569677302

Buckeye30 3rd February 2025 18:33

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Hi Ed. I know a few..............( tail markings on B-29s)..



Photo 2. B-29 "Ellie Barbara and her orphans" 42-63605 (16BG Guam). Diamond "B".
3. B-29 "Ready Bettie / City of Roanoke VA" 44-69817 (330BG Guam). Sq. K-4.
4. B-29 "The Confederate Soldier" 44-61524 (39BG Guam). Sq. P-09.
6. B-24D (with added nose turret) 42-40089 "Flying 8 Ball", 307BG after air raid on Funafuti 21/22 April 1943.
7. B-29 42-6242, early aircraft but to 468BG India as "Esso Express" ( refers to hauling gas to China). 2-yellow rudder stripes.



Regards
Nick

edwest2 3rd February 2025 19:19

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Thank you very much Nick.


Best,
Ed

Bertrand H 4th February 2025 06:17

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#3292

Thanks Nick for these info thanks to the serial of tails.

And about #7 could it be a B-29 post-war ?

TIA

Bertrand

Stig Jarlevik 4th February 2025 08:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bertrand H (Post 342823)
#3292

And about #7 could it be a B-29 post-war ?

Most likely either a Boeing or USAAF photo taken just before or after its delivery.

There is another photo of the same aircraft dated to Nov 1943, no doubt on the same photo shoot!

It has the brown-grey camo which was deleted when the type went into combat in the Pacific.
Only seen aircraft based in China using that.

42-6242 was officially delivered to USAAF 3 Nov 1943 and handed over to 794BS 468BG and departed
for the CBI theater in April 1944 and used as Nick says.

Cheers
Stig

Buckeye30 4th February 2025 15:08

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There were several photos taken when she came from the Wichita factory; the early ones in India were Olive Drab / Neutral Gray as Stig says. After 30 missions over the "Hump" she was declared "War Weary" (not surprisingly) and returned to us in Nov. 44.
She went to Lowry Field CO, at the time AAF Training Command, taken off inventory and allocated for "Reclaimation" ie. scrapping on 7 July 46.
All her missions were ferrying fuel etc.to forward airfields in China (58th Wing) from Kharagpur in India. The last 3 digits of the serial were marked in large numbers above the serial and the 2 rudder stripes were diagonal.



Bertrand. Korean B-29 were unpainted but many had Gloss Black undersides for night missions.
Nick

edwest2 4th February 2025 22:37

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/286301185127...Bk9SR8qP8a2aZQ
https://www.ebay.de/itm/226581856578...Bk9SR8qP8a2aZQ

edwest2 4th February 2025 23:12

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  1. B-24 Flight Operating Instructions
  2. https://www.ebay.com/itm/12691404747...gAAOSwhxFnkqLp
  3. B-29 Flight Operating Instructions
  4. https://www.ebay.com/itm/12691408508...EAAOSwszVnnURo
  5. History of the Fifth Bomb Group
  6. https://www.ebay.com/itm/19695384289...gAAOSw4j5ngLIL
  7. History of 358th FG “Orange Tails”
  8. https://www.ebay.com/itm/12688778549...UAAOSwq~pngKx6
  9. History of the 371st FG
  10. https://www.ebay.com/itm/12691404639...EAAOSwVYJngKp6
  11. History of the 20th FG “King’s Cliffe”
  12. https://www.ebay.com/itm/12691404299...sAAOSwCHpngKfn
  13. The Story of the 390th Bombardment Group (H)
  14. https://www.ebay.com/itm/12688778648...MAAOSw~B5ngKQS

Bertrand H 5th February 2025 17:45

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Many thanks Stig and Nick for your precise replies and Ed for the links!

Bertrand

edwest2 5th February 2025 18:15

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You're welcome Bertrand.

edwest2 5th February 2025 22:31

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/356531132279...Bk9SR67M4f-aZQ
Book
1946 PIRATE'S LOG A Historical Record Of The Sixth Bombardment Group B-29 Tinian
https://www.ebay.com/itm/38774248309...AYQPSRFWQWTK26

joel husson 6th February 2025 11:07

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hello


post 3301


VG33 1940,



On the other hand, I don't know if it's in Mérignac.


@+
Joël

Alex Smart 6th February 2025 18:01

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/356531132279...Bk9SR67M4f-aZQ

Very strange Spitfire ��

edwest2 6th February 2025 21:10

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/126924845348...Bk9SR7CNjM2bZQ

Bertrand H 7th February 2025 07:36

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#3304 : MB152 n° 658 of DAT Châteauroux Martinerie ; same photo already published in Avions n° 179 pages 62

Stig Jarlevik 7th February 2025 09:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by joel husson (Post 342885)
hello
post 3301
VG33 1940,
On the other hand, I don't know if it's in Mérignac.
Joël

The place is reported to have been Villacoublay. A few other photos from the same place have been
sold on e-bay in the past. They are unfortunately very blurry so impossible to know if it is the same
aircraft in these photos.
At least two are visible in one shot. Not sure if the VG 33s were assembled at V but many certainly
made their first flights from that field.

Cheers
Stig

edwest2 7th February 2025 20:58

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/306097506005...Bk9SR5Sjl5-cZQ
https://www.ebay.de/itm/296992795318...Bk9SR5ajl5-cZQ

edwest2 8th February 2025 19:32

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/186935659915...Bk9SR8iQrLicZQ

edwest2 9th February 2025 19:08

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/375983731826...Bk9SR6KQ4b2dZQ
https://www.ebay.de/itm/375983729791...Bk9SR6KQ4b2dZQ
https://www.ebay.de/itm/375983742438...Bk9SR4iF_b2dZQ

edwest2 9th February 2025 21:29

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/405527501767...Bk9SR5KV_cWdZQ
https://www.ebay.de/itm/405527466891...Bk9SR5KV_cWdZQ
https://www.ebay.de/itm/316224326464...Bk9SR5KV_cWdZQ
https://www.ebay.de/itm/405527453917...Bk9SR5KV_cWdZQ

AndyMa 10th February 2025 11:00

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Post 3310 # 2 looks like Blenheim R2780/YH-A of 21 Sqn.
It was abandoned at Almyros in Greece, rather than France as the seller states.

edwest2 10th February 2025 22:30

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/126932804310...Bk9SR7yt2pmeZQ

edwest2 11th February 2025 22:59

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/387919957844...Bk9SR8iD0uqeZQ
Off topic
https://www.ebay.com/itm/37598430290...Bk9SR96K7OeeZQ
https://www.ebay.com/itm/30610258870...Bk9SR96K7OeeZQ
Map
https://www.ebay.com/itm/31622969254...Bk9SR9yK7OeeZQ

edwest2 12th February 2025 21:27

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/186948163710...Bk9SR7yjjr2fZQ

edwest2 13th February 2025 22:18

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/387938929485...Bk9SR4bc3JCgZQ
https://www.ebay.de/itm/126939680913...Bk9SR4jc3JCgZQ
https://www.ebay.de/itm/356567577225...Bk9SR66VkZGgZQ
https://www.ebay.de/itm/235937481650...Bk9SR7jRu5KgZQ

edwest2 16th February 2025 00:23

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/375978560163...Bk9SR4KWk-SgZQ
https://www.ebay.de/itm/297021727885...Bk9SR8qesL2hZQ
https://www.ebay.de/itm/126942459830...Bk9SR8yesL2hZQ

Buckeye30 16th February 2025 12:41

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The B-17G is interesting, 42-38017 (349/100) was damaged believed by 2 B-17s shot down above her on Mission 246 to Berlin March 3 1944; force-landed at Schleswig-Land airfield by Ju.88s en-route to Sweden, then taken on by 1./KG200 (probably as A3-BB) for short-range ops. carrying agents and supplies. On a mission 3 March 1945 shot down by a night fighter (possibly US) at Luvigny (Vosges).
She was named "One mission LuLu" just before the Berlin mission as the crew's regular B-17 was out of action.



Nick

AndyMa 16th February 2025 13:42

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I thought the aircraft shot down as A3+BB on 3 March 1945 was 42-3190?

Stig Jarlevik 16th February 2025 15:34

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The Fortress Log states 42-38017 was damaged and set on fire by German fighters.
The crew extinguished the fire and headed for Sweden when they were intercepted by
Ju 88 fighters and forced to land at Jagel.

It was "repaired" by Luftwaffe only to be destroyed a couple of days later, still at Jagel.

Cheers
Stig

Buckeye30 16th February 2025 18:40

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Hi Andy. 42-3190 was an "F" and A3-BB in Stahl's KG200 History (a former member) was a "G" according to a flight log, flying missions 54-60; 42-3190 was Stkz. SJ-KY, later A3-CE as listed in the LEMB database.
42-38017 in a National Archives Report says lost 3 March 45 on operations, Pilot Fhrn. Helmut Schenderlein and 10 crew-passengers killed; a report that she was strafed by Allied fighters before fully repaired was unconfirmed (Stig's post). Possibly coded A3-GE; there were several instances though where 1./2. Staffeln changed codes.


Nick


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