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Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

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Originally Posted by S Sheflin (Post 286941)

... it is marked +22 white on its port side and 22+ white on its starboard side...
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

Hi Steve,
100% Sure ?
It is marked "+ 22" on both sides, reading it from left to right when facing the side, whatever the side.
Hi Roger,
As for the "print made from old auction" Well, try it, it was such blurred and distorted that I wonder how he made it.

Regards,
Franck.

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

Ju 88 G-6 W.Nr. 621049 (I think), +FN, after some software adjustments. Interesting that only the wing tips and leading and trailing edges are camouflaged.

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Interesting that only the wing tips and leading and trailing edges are camouflaged.

I don't imagine that shortage at war end was so deep :D

Rémi

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It depends on how it was to be concealed.

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Hi Franck,
It is good to hear from you again.
Post #3401 - I am in no way meaning to niggle, but please clarify how Balkenkreuz 22 is the same as 22 Balkenkreuz?
My only point was that the aircraft identification numeral was applied differently on each side.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

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Originally Posted by S Sheflin (Post 287012)

Not a problem Steve but re-read what you wrote, please. "+ 22 and 22 +" is different from "+22 and +22" and what I said is it is written "+22" on both sides: i.e. reading FROM FRONT TO AFT FUDELAGE we read +22 on port and 22+ on starboard.
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Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

A picture exists, showing this plane on the starboard with +22. The plane is very far with an Arado Ar 96 in the foreground with a very special camouflage without crosses and without swastika but with a non-readed number red or black with white lines. I don't know where this picture was taken.

Best regards
Lumabe

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It depends on how it was to be concealed.
Ed it seems you hv 'forgotten' the :D

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

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Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik (Post 286798)

Ed

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I agree that it is a very interesting photo. Without going through every photo I have of AAC 1s I do tend to think this is the first one I see in the c/n 1001 - 1038. So a very nice find Ed. Thank You!

Cheers
Stig

Re: #s 3392 to 3395

I'm coming a bit late to the subject.

The photo clearly shows a four-digit c/n on the tail; I read it as 1013. In France, four-digit c/ns were used for genuine Ju 52s which had been reworked by AAC resp. brought to AAC 1 standard, altogether 37 or 38 aircraft. Unfortunately, the previous German c/ns are unknown.

In the years 1949 to 1951, c/n 1013 was used by French AF GT 2/62 "Franche-Comté" in Indochine using call-sign FRAYT, matching the letter 'T' on the tail.

There is no connection whatsoever with Japan.

Gerhard

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Hello,
Regarding Post #3383, perhaps my advanced age is finally showing, but I cannot fathom why anyone would pay $300.00 US for a rather poor print of an official US Army image for which I paid a few dollars years ago.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

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Because you have to have to know that. That is one of the reasons i started this thread.

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Thank you RudiS for this Fw 190 S-8 WNr 350194 at Ausburg or Gablingen (This is the same location ? ) Note the A-8/R8 wings with the Mk 108 gun's holes and the wheels doors like an A-3 version.. This plane had any crosses and any swastikas but had his WNr on the tail. I don't know if they're never been painted or were painted over with a light grey.

Best regards
Lumabe.

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Hello Rudi and Lumabe,
Post #3433 – I too have unmarked ArbGem-built Fw 190 S-8, WNr. 350194, as being abandoned at Fl.Horst Gablingen. Its original national markings consisted of late-war all-black Balkenkreuze and white-outline Hakenkreuze.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

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Post #3431: photo straightened out and otherwise adjusted. I'd say that the Werk Nummer probably begins 17.... but that's as far as I can get.

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Hello Nick,
Post #3436 - I have this Me 262 A-1a as KUNO-built WNr. 111747, found abandoned at the Sheppach Waldwerke in April, 1945.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

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I believe it is Me 262 W.Nr. 111074

Mark Proulx

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Thanks for the correction Mark.
Steve Sheflin

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Gents,

Other clearer versions of this photo reveal the Werknummer as 111747. WNr.111704 appears on the 26 April 1945 Munchen-Riem Werknummer document but is an invalid number (it is one of about ten or so transcription errors). WNr.111704 is on the list and was found at Bad Aibling coded “we.7” with JV 44. WNr.111740 was also on the list and noted in a group of five Werknummern with one of these indicated as being a “total write-off”.

Cheers,

David