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The 109 scans are also better ones from 13 August 2017 eBay auction. Any ideas about unit and location ?

Cheers
Marc

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Marc,

I've got some other shots of these 2 on the dump - looks like the print's been reversed (note the hakenkreuz) - these are 7./SG10 aircraft. Don't think it's bare metal unfortunately, just very light RLM76. Location's definitely Neubiberg.

Cheers,
Chris

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Hs126. Greek airforce

http://www.ebay.de/itm/orginal-Foto-...4AAOSw4-hZuTzx

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Hi Chris,

Thanks for your precisions; would it be possible to see the other two pictures ?

In any case, this overall light colour or bare metal is a highly interesting departure of standard camouflage.

Cheers
Marc

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I'm on my way to China right now, but I'll dig them out once I'm back - BTW meant 6./SG10, not 7. (Sorry, late night posting!)

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I also have an additional image printed in WOTBC Number 3.

Mark Proulx

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Me262 Two seater Willow Groove 1991
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flugzeug...IAAOSw95lXE0B8

Ju 88 WNr 713639 plus another captured Ju 88 (??+?S):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-Of-3-Ori...gAAOSwa8dZvvuP

Possibly posted before. Photo lot with Ju 88 ??+DH, Ju 88 ??+GH, several Bf 109's & Fw 190's & a Ju 52:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/german-ww2-l...19.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Rudi.

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Ju 188 +DH and Ju 88 G +GH - note the access hatch (door) open / missing.

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Ed,

You are twice writing "DH". Typo?

Regards,
Rudi.

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Yes, former can be
280237 Ju 188 (F-1) 8H+DH 1.(F)/33 (Luftflotte 3)
Found at "Les Chanoines Airdrome" in 1944
- or be same as 290187 8H+DH reported at "Les Chanoines Airdrome"
Both were reportedly burned out but one is confirmed AFAIK and photo
of tail of 8H+DH appears have 87 as last two, and overpainted Stkz seems match 290187
(REF Remi photo)

latter can be
713632 Ju 88 G-1 4R+GH I/NJG 2 (France)
Found dumped at Dijon Airfield, France, in autumn 1944

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Hi there Mark,

I just checked WOTBC 3 and missed the print you were mentioning... Whilst still in WOTBC 3, the two 109's published as "Weisse 28" are actually two different machines.
- The one above is an Erla built Bf 109 G-14, found at Köthen. unit is unknown.
- The one below is an WNF built Bf 109 G-14, both unit and ,location unknown.

Cheers
Marc

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Thanks Roy, and safe travel.

Cheers
Marc

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My apologies Marc. Typo here it should be WOTBC Number Four. Thanks as well for the 109 clarification.

Mark Proulx

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#331: Thanks for the additional info, Ed.

Regards,
Rudi.

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Anyone having better location for "Les Chanoines Airdrome"
(google does not help) translates as "skirt" - outskirts of where ?

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Just a place name, nothing to do with clothing as far as I know.

Sone information that's been on the net since 2004: http://ghostbombers.com/dragoon/appx1a.html

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near Istres it appears
remains of old dispersals at Istres are visible on Google maps

St Martin de Crau possibly ...
"Les Chanoines Airdrome" is listed separately (below Istres/Le Patis and Istres/Le Teube)
in MAAF Technical Report and RAF Captured Aircraft List No. 259 (but number is missing from my copy)

Ju 188 5243 was Ju 188 D-2 150042 8H+EH
(5243 was fuselage number)

(skirts ... clothing here ... https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chanoine

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adding St Martin is now also destroyed island

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Saint-Martin-de-Crau definitely.

I used a number of sources for that appendix, primarily MAAF Intelligence Section Files 1944–45, National Archives AIR51/281 (which is on microfilm only).

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Well, I like point to you that I too have MAAF lists and RAF CEA Lists -
I have tried point out errors before but some seem not noticing ???

No 259 (is based on MAAF and has same mistakes) but I have worked out some
(verified them "by eliminating" be others of same last three or four),
some on your list are still incomplete numbers, like the one pointed out in post #338,
also Ju 188 041 was most probably 150041 etc.

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There are certainly earlier and later versions of those reports and errors did indeed creep into some of them. This was particularly noticeable in some of the reports from mainland Italy regarding Cr. 42s of NSG 9. Other "mistakes" are probably attributable to the condition of the wreckage under examination.

Because my aim when I started work on the campaign (circa 1995–96) and then the web pages (2004) was to reproduce what was in the original reports and add any later comments as "footnotes" in the white boxes. I may return to Operation Dragoon one day, if I find some promising sources, but I've been kind of busy with other events in France for some time.

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Yes, I know. That too. Need I point to this again, it falls under ... "I've been kind of busy with other events in France for some time"

http://www.ghostbombers.com/Olga/hauck2.html

the S-1 140700 errors still stands, despite triple explained/commented on. You comment to others but not this. I do not see any notes or comment in any white field.

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...t=5033&page=17

Well?

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For those wishing compare Mr. Beale list and CEA (based on MAAF Tech reports), here is part of primary source document, CEA No. 259 P.4 (apparently not from Microfilm)

http://i66.tinypic.com/2q152ra.jpg

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Well what? As and when I get back to 6.(F)/123, I'll certainly bear your point in mind. However, the entire point of my website is to write about what I want to, when I want to and my attentions are elsewhere right now.

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"Well what?" Like in Iceland "Well" (general term "jæja" - no purposeful meaning, but "thats enough, coffee brake is over" etc. comes close) but generally falls into "folks, move along, nothing to see" category.

Last part of your comment after "However ... has nothing to do with me
or this forum, I belive.

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bone yard http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Origina...AAAOSwZkNZwG2n

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Some more from the same seller:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Origina...wAAOSwttRZtFms

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Origina...wAAOSwK-pZtFnm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Origina...YAAOSwRjtZsyyW

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Origina...oAAOSwLaZZtFmJ

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Origina...EAAOSwm3ZZtFnJ

Regards,
Rudi.

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Thanks Rudi for those !

This boneyard is in Metz, France.

Cheers
Marc

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One of the Fw 190's captured in Italy ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-Capture...wAAOSw10NZwbHA

Cheers
Marc

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Hi there Snautzer,

This photo was taken from the cockpit of Erla built Bf 109 G-6, W.Nr. 413 50x "Grüne (?) 10", Stab I./JG 3, Metz - Frescatay, November 1944. You have a few photos of that machine here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...57631642929181

Cheers
Marc

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Fw 189 in Salzburg:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-4-1945-USA...cAAOSw409ZwrGa

Bf 109 in salzburg:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-4-1945-USA...AAAOSwfCZZwrDN

Ju 88 in Dijon:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/fall-1944-US...8AAOSwzilZwq7c
http://www.ebay.com/itm/fall-1944-US...YAAOSw8OJZwq4F
http://www.ebay.com/itm/fall-1944-US...kAAOSw7eFZwq2B
http://www.ebay.com/itm/fall-1944-US...oAAOSwIZBZwqvx

Regards,
Rudi.

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Thanks again, Rudi

The Bf 109 shot in Salzburg is a real gap-filler: until now, we had only one Summer 1945 partial shot
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...7631640557758/

and another showing the hulk of this machine sometimes in the Winter 1945-1946 (Hildebrandt's Broken Eagles 3, p. 2):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...7631640557758/

Now we can be sure this is a 3./JG 27 machine, and probably one of the rare Erla built Bf 109 G-14/AS.

Cheers
Marc

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The only Ju 88 wrecks recorded at Dijon-Longvic by the Allies were two Ju 88 G-1 night fighters (mis-identified as Ju 188, I guess because the square tail) so these picture seems to be from somewhere else.

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Hi Nick,

I have got a least 3 A-4's destroyed at Dijon in 1944: WNr 2651, 3635 & 4553. Not sure where I got this info from. Can anyone confirm?

Regards,
Rudi.

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It is possible that there was a further report after the one I have. Sometimes they did this when they found and examined a new dispersal area for example.

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Much earlier period, airframes likely long before taken away.
Ju 88 A-4 3635 was damaged 20% in attack at Dijon in March 44
Ju FRB plane (ex KG 77) (GQM Schulen losses)

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Shovelling bits and pieces of Fw 190 D-9's... Germany, 8 November 1945.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-WW2-SET...QAAOSw~oFZxTin

Cheers
Marc

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Hi Marc,

could at least one of them be a D-11? The hood in front of the cockpit doesn't have the shape of the D-9 hood. They seem to come from unfinished planes. The serial number is not yet present.

Cheers
Roger

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Fw 190 on a trailer and some photos of Luftwaffe wrecks:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/14-ORIGINAL-...19.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Rudi.