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Post 3559. This is B-24H 42-51112, 453BG H+ (+ = 733BS) lost 31 March 45 on Mission 920 to Brunswick rail yards (secondary target) ; note on photo says Salzgitter but MACR 13735 has near Hameln. Both in the area of target though. Black-white tail, Douglas line number 634 on nose. Pilot 1/Lt. R. C. Bussell.
Post 3557 photo 2. Evidently a B-24 crashed on one of the 2 Fifteenth AF missions to Bratislava oil targets in 1944 (June 16 and 20 Sept). She seems to be unpainted and the B-24s lost on 16th. were all camouflaged, 3 376BG and 1 450BG. 1 of the 2 lost on the 20th was NMF (42-50885) but this was no.89, 485BG in Hungary. Number 79 is a mystery but would be 4th sqn. Post 3558. No idea; tail artwork was quite common in the Fifteenth but the letter "X" would indicate Eighth AF; there is another shot showing the whole pin-up, maybe temporary as it's quite roughly done. Nick |
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Regarding Post 3557-There were other B-24 losses on different missions to Bratislava MY. For example, on March 26,1945 there were two B-24 losses whose mission was Bratislava Marshalling Yards- MACR 13196 B-24 44-49930, 485BG and MACR 13194 B-2444-49194, 464th BG
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Photos of General Patton’s staff car after accident. https://www.ebay.com/itm/15733460165...cAAeSwMthozg7x https://www.ebay.com/itm/15733459871...wAAeSw4-Zozg6x |
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Thanks Ed
#3564_1 : according date and squadron (n°12, PH) loss in july 1942 : with POW ? #3564_2 : Loire Nieuport 401 n°4 of AB2.3 lost close Maupertus (Manche) on 21 may 40 #3564_3 : Bloch 152 n° 401 ; was with CEMA ; sort -loss - unknown |
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POST 3565.
1. "Flying Flit Gun" B-17F 41-24412 ( 92/97BG in UK 1942) to Twelfth AF Nov. 42, Algeria and survived war. 2. "Hairless Joe" (caveman from the "Lil Abner" comic) B-17G 42-97371, 452BG lost on Mission 353 to Brux (CZ) 12 May 1944 to e/a. MACR 4822. 3. B-24D modified with nose turret at the Modification centre Hawaii; 22BG "Red Raiders", Fifth AF. Serial ? 4. B-26-MA "Pistol Packin' Mama" 40-1388 19BS / 22BG N. Guinea 1943; was OD-NG, the 19th. stripped their B-26s to bare metal and named "Silver Fleet" (the other 3 sqns. converted to B-25s) with name on tail. Scrapped in Oz Jan. 1944 after many missions. 7--8. "Pugnacious Peter" B-17G 42-31739 VK-P, 303BG lost 11 Oct. 44 on Mission 672 Koblenz (secondary target); MACR 9563. 9. B-17G 44-6898 384BG SO-H no name, a new replacement; survived 44 missions, last to the SKODA works Pilsen 25 April 45 the last heavy bomber mission (Group lead). This was 8AF Mission 968. 10. "Trouble Maker" (probably a J) 394BS / 5BG Thirteenth AF "Bomber Barons". Serial ? Don't know no.5 P-51D (post-war) or no. 6 P-61. Nick |
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How can you tell this is No 401? All I can ID is the digits 88, but there were more Y-x88 No 301 Y-788 No 201 Y-688 (unlikely since it was used by the Luftwaffe) No 101 Y-588 Cheers Stig |
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Hi Stig,
With engine 14N49 we remove 101 lost with GC III/10 201 known up to 1943 301 was with four blades and known at Tours (check Avions HS 7 pages 39 and 41) on wheels and not wrecked 99% it is n°401 bertrand |
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Seems more is known now than when I bought the LELA Presse book. Perhaps this is included in the new book by Ricco? Cheers Stig |
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Thank you Bertrand and Nick.
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Post 3576.
Spitfire Vc WD-D 4FS / 52FG; may be MH605 "Ocean Rider", late 43 on Sicily and Corsica. Typical mixed US - RAF insignia, the tail flash often remained. Sorry "Ocean Rider" was the ship which delivered her to Casablanca arriving 10 Oct. 43 (total 65 Spits.) one of 60 "Ocean " class this one built in Maine; assigned to the Ministry of War Transport. Definitely WD-D. Nick |
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#3579_1 : Bloch 210 n°104 of GB II/21 ; lost at La Ferté Gaucher on 24 may 1940 #3579_2 : MBZ n°3 of CAO 251 lost at Montcornet #3580_1 : MB152 n°527, 9 of GC 1/8_with Kralik lost 18 may 1940 at La Brayelle (Douai) |
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You're welcome Bertrand.
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Hi Stig
#3584 MBZ (Moto Ballon Zodiac): photo shows a motor nacelle which is stowed under a hot air balloon CAO : Compagnie d'Aérostation d'Observation Bertrand |
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Good Grief Bertrand
Never heard of that contraption before:o:o Can't say I ever had much interest in the subject. Bust, just as the British joke says: "I have tried it twice....the first....and the last time!" But that was some 50 years ago. Anyway, to make a bet, it surely must have been the best catch the Germans ever made.... :) Thanks Bertrand Stig |
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The 6 Avro 504N/Os (E5,13,16,33,37 and 40) for the Greek Navy are listed here. See also notes 11 and 13 at the bottom.
Regards Nick https://www.britishaviation-ptp.com/...st504NUKExport |
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Not sure how you read Jackson's pages Nick, nor how he interprets the known facts.
First of all the Greek Naval Air Service during the 1920s was a very small affair. In 1930 the Greek Army and Navy made a sort of amalgamation into something called EPA (Ethniki Polemiki Aeroporia) That made both Arms come together under a single Aviation Ministry (Ipourghion Aeroporias) The unification progressed up to 16 Nov 1935 when the Hellenic Air Force was formed (Elliniki Vassiliki Aeroporia) From that point there was no Naval Air Arm at all. So in 1941 this Avro 504O was 100% Air Force! For some, to me unknown, reason Jackson has interpreted my friend Ioannis answer to him that all the licence built Avro 504 in Greece was for the Navy. This is totally incorrect and something Ioannis would never had said. The six British built Avros the Navy ordered were a replacement for the Avro 504K they had used since WW 1 All the E prefixed aircraft were used by the EPA and later the EVA. Unfortunately the papers of the Greek National Aircraft Factory did not survive WW 2 meaning we don't know exactly how many Avros that were built. E40 is known as is E6 so probably around 40 seems a pretty safe bet Cheers Stig |
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Stig,
Did the Avro records survive? They should list the deliveries. Best, Ed |
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Well Ed
As far as I know feedback to England at that time only seems to have confirmed the orders made by the EPA. If anything further exists somewhere, I haven't seen anything reported. Greece is also a dead end it seems. Educated guesswork down in Greece believes two of the former Navy 504s became E30 and the second one possibly E25. Known serials are E3?, E6, E8, E13, E17, E20 - 25, E30, E33, E37 and E40 Cheers Stig |
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