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Marc-André Haldimann 11th June 2020 10:37

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 491171 or 491241 "Weisse 14", 13./JG 301, Loburg, Germany, before 19 March 1945. Those three low res photos do match up with three other - much better - photos made by Frank Lembo in 1945, as his unit passed the wreck 19 March 1945. In one of those photos, the church tower of Zeppernick can be recognised, pinpointing the location just west of Loburg:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/leonan...NH1YZOg4omVKVs

Both those Erla built Bf 109 G-10's were lost 2 March 1945, belly landing after air combat on that day - with no indication given of their tactical marking. 2 March 1945 was a sinister date for JG 301 as it lost 20 Bf 109's, all Erla produced Bf 109 G-10's. Information courtesy of George Morrison.

Cheers
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 11th June 2020 10:58

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This is Fw 190 A-8 W.Nr. 171683 "Gelbe 1", 11./JG 2. Location is possibly Juvincourt, France, September 1944.

Cheers
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 11th June 2020 10:59

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Ju 88 G-1 W.Nr. 713521 " "3C+MR", 7./NJG 4, Juvincourt, France, September 1944.

Cheers
Marc

ouidjat 11th June 2020 14:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 290189)
Thanks RudiS !

Location is with high probability Bad Wörishofen, the third photos showing possibly Bf 109 G-14 W.Nr. 464 221 "Schwarze 316", 2./JG 101.

Cheers
Marc

I agree,

And the second photo being a Bf 109 G-10 of an unknown unit, "Rote 6" ...

Regards,
Franck.

Marc-André Haldimann 11th June 2020 17:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ouidjat (Post 290196)
I agree,

And the second photo being a Bf 109 G-10 of an unknown unit, "Rote 6" ...

Regards,
Franck.

Franck,

There is this other photo of "Rote 6" here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...7631640970124/

Cheers
Marc

ouidjat 11th June 2020 18:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 290208)
Franck,

There is this other photo of "Rote 6" here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...7631640970124/

Cheers
Marc


Marc,
There are many others.

Regards,
Franck.

S Sheflin 12th June 2020 02:41

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Post #3721 - A JG300 loss list says that WNr. 491241 was Erla-built Bf 109 G-10, 5+ white, from 10./III./JG300. Its pilot, Dyk, Uffz. Ferdinand, was KIA in LK with P-51s on 44/12/31 and crashed at Altenhorst-Hannover (Kaltenweide?)
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

RudiS 12th June 2020 08:55

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https://i.ibb.co/j6hKW3C/Ju-87-115.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/rHwN5Hv/Ju-87-116.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-photo-l...AAAOSwow5e4pyu

RudiS 12th June 2020 08:59

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https://i.ibb.co/cXFBJ4m/He-111-166.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Ol...AAAOSweRVe4xFx

RudiS 12th June 2020 09:05

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https://i.ibb.co/YZD7LPC/Bf-109-387.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Ol...gAAOSwk8Re4wzo

RudiS 12th June 2020 09:07

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https://i.ibb.co/xqJSFDC/Go-242-005.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Ol...AAAOSwWPle4w10

Marc-André Haldimann 12th June 2020 09:19

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by S Sheflin (Post 290251)
Post #3721 - A JG300 loss list says that WNr. 491241 was Erla-built Bf 109 G-10, 5+ white, from 10./III./JG300. Its pilot, Dyk, Uffz. Ferdinand, was KIA in LK with P-51s on 44/12/31 and crashed at Altenhorst-Hannover (Kaltenweide?)
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

Dear Steve,

I have the same issue both in Michael Balss's loss list and Jim Perry and George Morrison's one except they both quote Uffz. Ferdinand Dyck's machine as being "Weisse 8", 10./JG 300.

Where shall we go from there ? A typo for 490241 ? No information available on this W.Nr. alas...

Cheers
Marc

edwest2 12th June 2020 17:13

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Marc,


I think the answer may appear in volume 13/VI, or later, volumes of Die Jagdfliegerverbände der Deutschen Luftwaffe 1934 bis 1945.

ouidjat 12th June 2020 21:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 290262)
Dear Steve,

I have the same issue both in Michael Balss's loss list and Jim Perry and George Morrison's one except they both quote Uffz. Ferdinand Dyck's machine as being "Weisse 8", 10./JG 300.

Where shall we go from there ? A typo for 490241 ? No information available on this W.Nr. alas...

Cheers
Marc


Hello both of you,
Jean-Yves Lorant gives Uffz. Ferdinand Dyk, 491241 and Weisse 8.
JG300 Vol.2, page 317.
Regards,
Franck.

edwest2 12th June 2020 23:33

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...8AAOSw0Q5ewseJ

RudiS 13th June 2020 12:42

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https://i.ibb.co/2d7m003/Ju-88-328.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/fpg1HjC/He-111-167.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/F63VDWV/Bf-109-388.jpg

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PHOTO-ALB...wAAOSwCqJe44uu

RudiS 13th June 2020 12:45

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https://i.ibb.co/5Fxn1v8/Bf-109-389.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/RAAF-Captur...oAAOSwgHxe5Flz

RudiS 13th June 2020 12:46

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https://i.ibb.co/nQbWgZm/He-111-168.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Captured-wr...sAAOSwUIle5Eq0

RudiS 13th June 2020 12:47

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https://i.ibb.co/CHNt1Wn/Fw-190-243.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Captured-Ge...4AAOSwOahe5Fgc

Rottler 13th June 2020 12:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by S Sheflin (Post 290251)
Post #3721 - A JG300 loss list says that WNr. 491241 was Erla-built Bf 109 G-10, 5+ white, from 10./III./JG300. Its pilot, Dyk, Uffz. Ferdinand, was KIA in LK with P-51s on 44/12/31 and crashed at Altenhorst-Hannover (Kaltenweide?)
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

Hello,

in www.jg300.de is a photo of Uffz Ferdinand Dyk (promoted to Fw on 28 Dec 1944) sitting on the right wing of his Bf 109 G-10 491241. You can see the rest of the numeral 5.

Regards
Leo

RudiS 13th June 2020 12:59

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https://i.ibb.co/B6vNM6T/Bf-110-079.jpg

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW2-1939-...wAAOSww0Je4k64

RudiS 13th June 2020 13:07

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https://i.ibb.co/wCrxVC8/Me-262-150.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-WW2-US...gAAOSwwQ1e4-un

ouidjat 13th June 2020 14:25

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rottler (Post 290336)
Hello,

in www.jg300.de is a photo of Uffz Ferdinand Dyk (promoted to Fw on 28 Dec 1944) sitting on the right wing of his Bf 109 G-10 491241. You can see the rest of the numeral 5.

Regards
Leo


If Bobo says it it's true, isn't it ?

Gerhard 15th June 2020 02:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ouidjat (Post 290343)
If Bobo says it it's true, isn't it ?


A bit off track: is it Bobo or Popo?


Gerhard

RudiS 15th June 2020 10:00

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https://i.ibb.co/KmpJ2Mb/FW-200-012.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/World-War-I...8AAOSw07Be5qGT

Rottler 15th June 2020 12:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerhard (Post 290443)
A bit off track: is it Bobo or Popo?


Gerhard

Hello Gerhard,

BOBO is Burkhard Otto, the operator of the website www.jg300.de.

Regards
Leo

RudiS 16th June 2020 10:49

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https://i.ibb.co/NsjbGCb/Fw-190-244.jpg

https://www.ebay.de/itm/AVIATION-PHO...8AAOSwRXxe5IY6

RudiS 16th June 2020 10:50

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https://i.ibb.co/LZ2xgY5/Ju-88-329.jpg

https://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...wAAOSwxjRe558y

Gerhard 16th June 2020 23:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rottler (Post 290458)
Hello Gerhard,

BOBO is Burkhard Otto, the operator of the website www.jg300.de.

Regards
Leo


Ahh, thanks.


Gerhard

RudiS 17th June 2020 10:25

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https://i.ibb.co/vQkpGG9/Fi-156-032.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/World-War-I...gAAOSw3npe6VQG

https://i.ibb.co/GJShb72/Fi-156-033.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/World-War-I...sAAOSwd59e6VAL

https://i.ibb.co/j82DtbR/Fi-156-034.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/World-War-I...wAAOSwBAFe6Upt

S Sheflin 17th June 2020 18:20

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Hello Rudi,
Post #3750 – Thanks for your hard work. These are a nice find of a new-to-me Fi 156 C or D marked, I believe, 4N+XI or 4N+XL. I sure wish sellers could/would add any US unit identifications or location details.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

Roger Gaemperle 17th June 2020 19:09

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Hello Steve, some if the seller’s recent photos were taken at Braunschweig. So, the Fi 156 may also have been found there. Regards, Roger

edwest2 17th June 2020 21:34

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  1. https://www.ebay.com/itm/ESTATE-FIND...UAAOSwxGpe6j21
  2. https://www.ebay.com/itm/ESTATE-FIND...kAAOSwuOde6jgV
  3. https://www.ebay.com/itm/ESTATE-FIND...IAAOSw9~xe6jZa
  4. https://www.ebay.com/itm/ESTATE-FIND...0AAOSwLSxe6jYz

Nick Beale 17th June 2020 21:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 290583)

That Bf 109 has 4889 stencilled on the rear fuselage, as well as a replacement cowling and what looks like (maybe) a yellow wingtip.

S Sheflin 17th June 2020 23:28

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Hello again Nick,
Post #3754 - Unless I am mistaken, this is Bf 109 K-4 (WNr. 334889) found abandoned at Fl.Horst Göttingen after 45-04-18.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

RudiS 18th June 2020 10:13

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https://i.ibb.co/0tqRmxZ/types-269.jpg

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/W-W-2-2-C...AAAOSw6IFe6b-M

RudiS 18th June 2020 10:23

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from the same estate as #3586

https://i.ibb.co/zQwN3nk/Ju-88-333.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ESTATE-FIND...8AAOSwFb5e6jxT

RudiS 18th June 2020 10:23

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from the same estate as #3586

https://i.ibb.co/hYFX3Hd/Ju-88-334.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ESTATE-FIND...cAAOSwS8he6j-4

RudiS 18th June 2020 22:36

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https://i.ibb.co/w6gpxKb/FW-200-013.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/World-War-I...QAAOSwmFle67mn

RudiS 18th June 2020 22:37

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https://i.ibb.co/njm4qYK/Fw-190-245.jpg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/World-War-I...sAAOSwfcle672n


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