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brianx13 15th February 2008 15:18

Luftwaffe Escape and Evasion
 
I believe there were over 2,000 US airmen that crossed the Pyrenees going back to Allied territory. Were there any Luftwaffe airmen that crossed them back into German occupied territory? I realize there was the French underground to help the Allied airmen and I do not think there was such a vast group available to any Luftwaffe pilot shot down over the other side but I am curious if any of them ever made it back from Allied occupied territory.

Thank you in advance,
Brian

Chris Goss 15th February 2008 17:14

Re: Luftwaffe Escape and Evasion
 
Brian: Bit of a strange question. There was no need for Germans to evade from the Spanish whilst Allied aircrew had to evade from German and Vichy forces. Any Germans that landed in Spain were repatriated in due course

RT 15th February 2008 17:21

Re: Luftwaffe Escape and Evasion
 
Nd that's why it's so easy for the allied crews to cross the Pyrenées, nobody obstruct the way coming from the other side.

brianx13 15th February 2008 18:26

Re: Luftwaffe Escape and Evasion
 
Perhaps I should have been more clear in my question.
Does anyone have any information about Luftwaffe pilots that were shot down over Allied territories and escaped back to Axis controlled territories?
I was trying to use the Pyrenees as an example of an extreme journey that some made.

Thanks.

Chris Goss 15th February 2008 18:32

Re: Luftwaffe Escape and Evasion
 
Franz Von Werra was the only one who escaped and made it back (before US enetered the war) although many others tried. Those shot down behind Allied lines in the desert or Normandy 1944 and who made it back are harder to ascertain. Russia was a different matter

brianx13 15th February 2008 20:12

Re: Luftwaffe Escape and Evasion
 
Von Werra was quite a story wasn't it?!! That's what I was looking for, thank you!

Were Russia and the desert more difficult to research because of the closeness of the fighting and soldiers could find their comrades relatively 'easy'?

Sylvester Stadler 16th February 2008 04:35

Re: Luftwaffe Escape and Evasion
 
On 26 Feb 1942 Lt. Arnold Stahlschmidt had to crash-land his Bf 109F-4/Trop in the area of Bir Hacheim near a truck column of Polish troops who took him prisoner. After severely beating him, he was interrogated and during the night he was placed behind barbed wire. He escaped when the guard fell asleep and walked back to the German lines.

I had read that Erich Hartmann had been taken prisoner by Russian troops and was being transported via truck when he struck his guard and jumped out of the truck, making it back to the German lines several days later.

edwest 16th February 2008 04:55

Re: Luftwaffe Escape and Evasion
 
There is a brief, general account related to Luftwaffe aircrew shot down behind Russian lines on page 47 of Luftwaffe im Focus 11. A quote: "It is impossible to say how many German pilots and crewmen lost their lives while trying to regain their own lines, but the number is probably higher than one would think."


Regards,
Ed

George Hopp 16th February 2008 04:58

Re: Luftwaffe Escape and Evasion
 
And in the North, Horst Carganico made two forced landings behind Soviet lines -- In July and August 1942 -- and made it back to German lines.

Chris Goss 16th February 2008 08:12

Re: Luftwaffe Escape and Evasion
 
The reason, Brian, is the front line was fluid as opposed to static thus making it easier to get back


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