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edwest

15th May 2008 01:02

Photos 5-14

richardb

15th May 2008 09:42

Re: Photos 5-14

Hello
Thanks EdWest

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=290230323275

D-EKYK is a Dietrich DS 1

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=180243004464

D-4-113 is a Schleicher Rhönbussard

edwest

15th May 2008 17:12

Re: Photos 5-14

You're welcome, Richard.

Ed

Von Alles

15th May 2008 20:29

Re: Photos 5-14

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=310050622131

Could be an early Mölders' Bf 109 E ?

Von Alles

robert

15th May 2008 21:33

Re: Photos 5-14

Hi,

now it`s mount rather of Harder.

Robert

Miguel

15th May 2008 22:41

Re: Photos 5-14

Hi Robert:

Harro Harder is a good option but:

Two victories in the tail.

Harder: 2,3 and 4th in August, 11

Wilcke: 4th in August,31

Which one's plane? A good question, I think.

A very interesting photo. it is the first time that I see it and I think that probably someone will have more information on the owner.

Regards. Saludos

ArtieBob

17th May 2008 00:18

Re: Photos 5-14

No less than five Ju 88s in this group. The Do 17 is really an early Ju 88, BQ+Wx, DJ+OX is probably W.Nr.5676 (Really neat, what is the color scheme?), which fits with the following two Ju 88s of KGr 806. The tail appears to be W.Nr.1333 which would have been a D-1. If the W.Nr. is correct, there 3 other images of this aircraft. The photo identified as a Ju 88 A-6 appears to be an He 111 H-16 or 20 perhaps?

Best Regards,

Artie Bob

robert

17th May 2008 10:28

Re: Photos 5-14

Hi Miguel,

1.this photo was taken not in August but in late June- early July so we could easy rule out Wilcke
2.the exactly number of Harder victories prior to the 11.08.40 is unknown - he could have even 4 claims.
3.another possibility is Olt.Heinz Wittenberg - because the III/JG53 was led between 20.06 and 13.07.40 by NN. Perhaps Wittenberg was appointed temporarily Commander? He had 2 victories in this timeframe.

Regards

Robert

Miguel

17th May 2008 19:30

Re: Photos 5-14

Robert,

I appreciate very much your answer and very useful information.

Wittenberg looks as a sound option.

Thank you very much.

robert

18th May 2008 22:03

Re: Photos 5-14

Hi Miguel,

this is a plane of Pingel. These two bars mark his two claims made while acting as temporarily group`s commander.

Regards

Robert

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