JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Please,
what were the JG1 casualties on 27 December 1944?
Thank you.
Phil.

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Hello Phil.

the J.G. 1 lost 15 a/c on these day. Are you interested in specific ? Three of it in the Dinand/Vielsalm area. One POW and two MIA.

Rgds,
René

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Dinant (Belgium)

ClinA-78

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Bonjour,

René and ClinA-78 :thank you for your assistance. 15 losses !? That was a very important air battle. Studying the story of JG 103 and JG 105 in France (above all in Châteauroux) 1943-1944, I focus on the front line life of the pilots who trained there. For the 27 December 1944 air battle : I would like to know who was the victims of LT Elmer N. Fiery (364th FG) who claimed 2 Fw 190 destroyed and one damaged in Frankfurt area, the air combat starting at 5000.
…. probably Uffz. Uffz. Helmuth Riehl ? and … ?
Any information would be greatly appreciated !

Phil.

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Bonjour

Haupt.Hans Ehlers shot down(K) :Berenborn (187 km by road of Frankfurt)
Fw.Herbert Mehl shot down (K):Dinant
Oblt.Eduard Millers (P):Dinant
Lt.Johannes Birnbaum (K):Dinant
Uffz.Adolf Schiller (P):Acht near Mayen
Lt.Gottffried Just (K):Dinant
Uffz.Ernst-Adolf Schaumbergurg (W):Behndorf near Koblenz
Ofhr.Gerhard Stiemer (W):Todenfeld/Rheinbach
Fw.Wolf Oswald (K):Dinant
Oblt.Walter Porsch (K):Dinant
Uffz.Heinz Borreck (K):Niederkassel
Lt.Richard Forster (K):Dinant
No Name :Dinant
No Name:Dinant
No Name:Dinant
Gefr.Emil Franzke (K):Platz Plantlunne 5/JG1
Fw.Albrecht Kirschner (W):Platz Plantlunne

Uffz.Helmut Riehl (W):Bocholt
Bocholt in Germany or in Belgium ?

Total=18 losses
Very difficult to say who shot down who.
Good Luck

Michel

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Excuse me for the icons on Dinant,I don't known the BAD manipulation that I made!!!!
Encore désolé
Michel

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

You could always use the "edit" button at the bottom right of your post.

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Michel,
I just tried to research a good English word for the translation of the French expression « bouche bée » … « mouth agape » ? « beyond words » ? Whatever ! Your assistance is very precious, very important for me. I understand that – it is common – such air battle – is very difficult to. To compare carefully each victory and loss reports. Situation changed so fast …
Michel, Each of your information is a very good track ! So I have to know more also on Allied side.

How can I acknowledge you !

I do appreciate such icons which are symbolics of the difficulty of this study !

So Bocholt ? …

Thank you very much indeed !
Phil.

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Beware with the matching claim vs loss, as such as the rough location given (ex : Dinant), always with a grain of salt.
Bocholt most probably in Germany.

Best regards

ClinA-78

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Some add./corr.

Hptm. Hans Ehlers - Bereborn, 13 km NE Daun
Fw. Herbert Mehl - Adenau area
Uffz. Adolf Schiller - Hohe Acht near Mayen
Lt. Gottffried Just - Adenau area
Uffz. Ernst-Adolf Schaumburg
Fw. Wolf Oswald - 100 m W Adenau
Oblt. Walter Pörsch - Adenau area
Lt. Richard Förster
Gefr. Emil Franzke - Fl.Pl. Plantlünne
Fw. Albrecht Kirschner - dito

Kaczmarek