Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


While browsing for something else, I came across the following site which has a number of photos of Japanese Naval aircraft :


http://www.memai-clinic.com/myhobby....A6%97%EF%BC%89


Hopefully some are new to the viewer as they were to myself. Interesting I thought to see a Nakajima Ki-44 Shoki on the same airfield as both a A6M5 and a A5M4.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Well Clint

I actually thought the trainer (Willow) shots were the most interesting of the lot.

Since most shots sems to be from his training days, is the Schiffer book good enough to identify which training unit this is all about? :)

Also can you see if the Zeros visible are from the same unit or if he moved to another unit/base for his advanced training? There are an interesting group of shots, of possibly A6M2 taking off, with the unit codes also seen under the wings. Anything the Schiffer book identifies?

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hi Stig,


No, the Schiffer book is no help here,as it deals with Army trainers, not the Navy, but the K5Y appear to bear the Katakana of the Kasumigaura Kokutai.However the K3M wears the markings of the Tsukuba Kokutai as do some of the A6M2 photos. I think these photos are just from the guys site - his hobby as he says, but not all are necessarily from the same source. Though, who knows, they might be.


Regards,


Clint

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Aha

Thanks for the details

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Nakajima E4N2 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Japanese-Ai...UAAOSwzlxf9Oms


Does anyone know if any E4N survived with training units as long as December 1941?



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Yokosuka K4Y1 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/iq16-ww2-Ja...4AAOSwvJhgBQHp


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of some Yokosuka K5Y2 at:


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-...UAAOSwg5lgCVRc


Alas, not clear enough to tell the unit.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a scenic shot of Kawanishi E7K2 Floatplanes at:


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-...IAAOSw1rBgD-13


Possibly taken at the same location as the K5Y2 in the previous post in this thread?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a very nice photo of a line up of Yokosuka K4Y1 of Kasumigaura Kokutai at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-Japane...4AAOSwInRgEL-I


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of aircraft of the Tateyama Kokutai at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15455220694...0AAOSwCythBe9V


Central is a Kawanishi E7K2 and to either side a Mitsubishi F1M2 and Aichi E13A.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Clint, thank you, 1000% for posting the link to the forum!

Those are historically important, amazing photographs ..

Bronc

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Nakajima B5N at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/16501202835...0AAOSw7L9hEvX2


The camera angle is not ideal,but it looks like the tail marking may be that of the Kasumigaura Kokutai.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are photos of two Jnaf AIRCRAFT:


Mitsubishi G4M


https://www.ebay.com/itm/31366310128...cAAOSwBPhhNPIZ


Aichi E13A1of the Tateyama Kokutai:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/31366310910...MAAOSw~BxhNPWp


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Yokosuka MXY-7 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/30418706135...4AAOSwLgRhajPx


The seller currently has around 100 new photos of various aircraft,largely USAAF,but including a few RAAF and RAF, some pacific theater,some not at:


https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?item...itaria&_sop=10


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are photos of two JNAF floatplanes:


Nakajima E4N2


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284492372...QAAOSwiXdhbC9j


Nakajima E8N


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284492342...sAAOSwyMlhbCth


The E4N2 shown appears to be in prewar markings,but is anyone aware of either E4N2 or E4N2-C still operating in the home islands as trainers post 1941?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Japanese aircraft at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/31372254142...IAAOSwhjxhc4oM


Based on what can be seen I believe it may be J-BEOD which according to

http://www.airhistory.org.uk/gy/reg_J-3.html was a converted G3M1. The information from the site I have is my total knowledge of this machine,so I'd like to ask did it ever pass back into Navy service with the onset of the Pacific War?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Hiro G2H1,presumably of the Kisarazu Kokutai at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/36361747822...kAAOSwnQNhjDmM


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Nakajima B5N1 of the Usa Hikotai (?) at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/12502659608...4AAOSwA~lhpZsF


The seller also has a couple of photos of army aircraft at:


https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?item...baki30&_sop=10


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


Arguably I could have posted this on the prewar board,but I thought that possibly more interest might be found on this board. Currently there is a photo of two JNAF flying boats, a Supermarine Seagull in the foreground and a Supermarine Channel in the background at I believe :


https://www.ebay.com/itm/26546935036...QAAOSwc7Nhx02K


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Clint

What do you make of the digits under the wing of the Seagull?
Looks like '96' to me. The single Seagull supplied to Japan is not identified in the Putnam book.

These early Supermarine flying boats always makes me uncomfortable.
Japan received three Channels, as per the Supermarine book, again none identified.

I have to see if I can find something more in other books. Too tired now....

Cheers
Stig

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Hi Stig,


With regard to the numbers definitely 6 immediately inboard of the hinomaru,it could well be preceeded by 9,but 3 was my first thought.That is only a guess though.


I do hope you're able to find more information on these aircraft,without being too optimistic.If anything has been published on Japanese Supermarine flying boats since the Supermarine book I'm personally unaware of it.


Regards,


Clint

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Hi Clint

No such luck. Spent over an hour trying to find something useful.
All I get is the same details, even if one source claims two Seals were delivered, but I think the general accepted view is
3 Channel Mk II
1 Seal
1 Seagull Mk I

Regardless if the digits are '36' or '96' I cannot explain them.
They cannot be civil and why the Japanese Navy only should put underwing markings
on them is a complete puzzle as well.
Perhaps the Japanese text can give us a clue?
Come to think of, probably not....

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hi Stig.
Probably part of the ex-FAA serial somewhere between N9603--9607 or N9642--9654.
My thought anyway....
Regards
Nick

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

I had that in mind as well.
Trouble is Nick none of them fits the time frame of 1922, ie when the British mission went to Japan.
Also why would the FAA sell back an aircraft to Supermarine who in turn would onforward it to Japan?
Neither can I believe the FAA would have had any direct sales involving Japan.
Sorry, still a puzzle to me.
Cheers
Stig

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Were the engines and out-rigger floats interchangeable between the Channel and the Seagull Mk1?
I have a photo in the 1974 edition of "Japanese Military Aviation" (by Eiichiro Sekigawa) which has a flying boat with a rear facing propeller and a deep pattern out-rigger float. It has the light colour paintwork of the aircraft in this photo foreground (which appears to have a spinning tractor propeller).


...geoff

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Don't know that Geoff

But since the Channels had pusher props and the Seagull (and Seal?) didn't,
I don't believe you just switched from one to the other just like that.

So if the photo shows a Supermarine with a pusher, it is in my mind a Channel.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Stig. Sekigawa says Sept. 1921 for the Mission's arrival at Kasumigaura ( the base was blessed in a Shinto ceremory in July). Called the "Central Training Station".

I have a suspition that the boat in the background is the single Vickers Viking they sent ( the Channel had a rounded nose and tall narrow upright radiator). The 2 Viking serials were N156/157. They had distinctive vertical tails which showed above the tailplanes, also varnished hulls. The Seal and Viking were for experimental purposes. I THINK the Channels were unpainted.
Nick

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello Nick,


I can confirm that you are correct the other aircraft is a Vickers Viking IV, a case of mistaken identity on my part as confirmed by another photo of the same two aircraft,but with a caption:


https://www.hampshireairfields.co.uk/ah1900/suprod.html


Regards,


Clint

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Thanks Nick/Clint

These early look-a-like 'boats are not my expertise, so I gladly stand corrected.
However it does not bring us any closer as to the digits located under the Seagull....

Cheers
Stig

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If the caption is correct this is the Seagull ( the personnel are certainly Japanese Navy); no serial is visible but may have been removed from the wings after delivery as the Navy put their designators on tail or mid-fuselage.
It seems to be a magazine article. I've also included (more for my future reference) an interesting contemporary series on these boats.
The Seagull for Japan is thought to be a Mk.II (Napier Lion) but their serials were N9562--9566. But several were convertions or modifications so as you say confusing.
Regards
Nick



http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/FT/FT1922/11/655-1.jpg


https://www.aviationancestry.co.uk/?...=ASC&pageNum=3

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of another rare Japanese flying boat with British roots,the Kawanishi H3K-1 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/17507544223...oAAOSwpY5hwglL


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Clint

I have a copy of that photo and back in those days when I bought it, it was identified as the one built by Shorts.
I always had a slight problem with that, since that one ought to have been coded M-1, if any logic can be stuck to it.
So as far as I go, to me it is the first Japanese production example.
Any thoughts?

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hi Stig,


The aircraft shown, M-2, throws up a number of questions for me.I believe it is H3K1 as it is shown to have a rear gun turret which Mikesh and Abe identify as a distinguishing feature of Kawanishi built machines.


However, I do find the M-2 marking itself strange. Presumably it is something other than the unit marking as the H3K1 machines were said to have served with the Tateyama Kokutai which bore a Japanese symbol as a unit marking seen here on a line up of Mitsubishi 3MT2:


https://arawasi-wildeagles.blogspot....a-kokutai.html


Do I take it from yor reference to M-1 that you know what this signifies? also did the Short built KF actually definitely wear M-1 or is the M- a series used just during evaluation? I don't think I've seen a photo of the original KF hitherto.



Regards,


Clint

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Sorry Clint

Terrible mistake from me in the first place.
The M-2 marking has nothing to do with Japan at all. I should have looked in the Putnam book straight away and not
just rambled from memory, which is fading too quickly I'm afraid.

The M-2 is a British B condition marking issued to Short 10 Oct 1930.
All available photos to me of the KF-1 (S.15) model wearing these markings were taken in England.
One source states it used the M-2 markings also after arrival to Japan, but I have no verification of that.

I have only seen one other photo of a H3K1 built by Kawanishi and that is also in the Putnam book.
It has the Tateyama Katakana symbol and what looks like :2. Listed as the third one built in Japan.

So Clint, just one aircraft (no rubbish like M-1, just forget that) and yes the M-2 is the one built in Britain.

Looks like I better spend the winter in hibernation.... :o
Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hi Stig,


I was going to mention the Putnam book,but left it out of my post. Memory eh?



What your last post does appear to do is bring in to question the Mikesh and Abe information about the rear turret as an aide to identifying Kawanaishi built H3K1 because the sixth photo down here:


http://www.airwar.ru/enc/flyboat/h3k.html


does appear to show a rear turret.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Wise from the experience Clint, I am no longer sticking my neck out, but I would say of that group of six
photos lumped together at the bottom of that page most were taken in Britain.
No 2 is the same as shown in the Putnam book and listed as the third H3K1 built in Japan.

I am uncertain about the last photo, the one you refer to, ie no 6, since it is a very bad quality photo, but I still
think it was taken in Britain.

I would say the single aircraft built in Britain did have a turret. The Japanese came to Shorts with their drawings
and plans what the design should look like, so it would be strange if they had omitted the turret and only added
it post return home...

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a nice photo of a Mitsubishi B1M captioned as belonging to the Omura Kokutai :


https://www.ebay.com/itm/31495260702...8AAOSwb8dlTa0M


Is it known whether any B1M or the succeeding B2M were still in service with training units post 7 thDecember 1941?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Aichi D1A at Shanghai in 1937 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/31497095772...oAAOSwGTBlWK3-


The seller has other items from the same location too,but the quality of the photos not great:


https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_dkr...hanghai%201937


Regards,


Clint

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Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Mitsubishi A5M Hokoku 310 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/31498405742...4AAOSwu~hlYFjc



Also currently on ebay is a photo of a training glider captioned as belonging to the Tsuchiura Kokutai at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/31498402709...AAAOSwiFVlYFTj


Can anyone identify the type shown?


The seller has other photos predominantly personnel of the Tsuchiura Kokutai at:


https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_dkr..._nkw=tsuchiura


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Naval Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are a number of photos of the Nakajima B5N in pre Pacific War markings at


https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_dkr...hoto%20fighter


Edit also though rather off topic,a Felixstowe F.5 of the Yokosuka Kokutai,or is it a Hiro H1H? in the last photo of the following link


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/266560715084...Bk9SR-D_-qCLYw



Regards,


Clint