He 111 Stammkennzeichen
 

Does anyone have information as to the model and W.Nr. of VG+EN and DT+YI?

(I can't say the second of these is definitely an He 111 but it seems likely from the context)

Thanks.

Re: He 111 Stammkennzeichen
 

Hi Nick

He111H-5 - VG+EN - W/Nr 4080
He 111H-16 - DT+YI - W/Nr 8308

Tom

Re: He 111 Stammkennzeichen
 

Cheers, Tom.

Re: He 111 Stammkennzeichen
 

DT+YI should be He 111 H-16 WNr. 8307!

Regards,
Norbert

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Hi Norbert - appreciate what you say

I have DN+DZ with W/Nr 8298
The single W/Nr 8299 should be allocated a single Stkz. This is in regular practice of splitting W/Nrs. I also have the same with W/Nr 8359 as a single Stkz allocation
I have DT+YA to YZ with W/Nr 8300 to 8325
W/Nr 8303 was DT+YD/1G+LN which fits.
W/Nr 8326 starts with VH+PA

I expect yours includes W/Nr 8325 as the single Stkz allocation?
Appreciate any extra info - Thanks
Tom

Re: He 111 Stammkennzeichen
 

If it helps, DT+YI crops up on a sortie by Kdo. Rastedter (Allied info. probably from Y-intercepts) and He 111 W.Nr. 8308 served with 4./FAGr. 5, the successor to the Kommando.

I'm still at the early stages of work on this but it'll all turn up on my website eventually.

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Hello Nick,

That is popping out of which type of doc ??

Rémi

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An Operations Watch daily summary of German Naval Air Activity (which essentially covered any flight over the sea that was detected by the Y-Service or other intelligence sources).

Re: He 111 Stammkennzeichen
 

Thks, Nick, docs is a lot, only missing is 2 or 3 sup. lives

Rémi

Re: He 111 Stammkennzeichen
 

Hi Tom,
you present a very good case here. I have to go back and verify the data. It does make sense that 8303 was DT+YI since my 8307 (DT+YI) was with KG 27 and not with Kdo. Rastedter as confirmed by Nick.

Regarding the gap for 8359: mine is actually from 8356 to 8359. I have no Stkz. for 8356 to 8358.

Regards,
Norbert

Re: He 111 Stammkennzeichen
 

Does anyone know anything about He 111 TM+KM? (Another one that appears to be part of Kdo. Rastedter).

Also, Ju 188 NK+ZG (in the same context).

Re: He 111 Stammkennzeichen
 

TM+KM He111H-6 7583, build around july 1942 by EHF,

NK+ZG, JU188F-1 280010, Junkers Bernburg around Sept. 43, seems to hv flown from Romilly in that same month , for the Kdo Rastedter/Kdo Koch nd so most probably Under III.KG40

Rémi

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280010 should been assembled in about June/July 43 (my calc./interpolation)

280010 Ju 188 F-1 [NK+ZG] 9./KG 40 (Luftflotte 3)
OPS (F) missing (100%) unk location 04.12.1943 (F Ofw. Otto Langner, B Fw. Werner Walter, BF Uffz. Peter Jansen, BF Obgefr. Erich Kobina <amd g/15.12.43> and BM Ofw. Fritz Törner mis)
[rep Ju 188 280010 NK+ZG in LWFLV losses 10v09.12.43; amd 280010 - unit III/KG 40 lists no Ju 188 on strength in that month - nor any other month! Photos of this ´test´ machine are known ´as taken at Bordeaux / Merignac Airfield´ - same photo in Robert Michulec “Ju 188 Ju 388” Pt.1 (English Text) P.19. - Rep used by Horch und Störstaffel 2 over the Bay of Biscay, stated in Barry Rosch {Classic Luftwaffe Colours} “Luftwaffe Support Units”]

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Thanks everyone. From that, I see that there is a picture of NK+ZG in Chris Goss's "Sea Eagles, Volume Two" (Classic, 2006) on page 186. It has no upper turret but at least one additional "T" antenna above the cockpit.

Re: He 111 Stammkennzeichen
 

A while ago I asked about He 111 TM+KM, which RT said was W.Nr. 7583.

However, I now find in the QMG loss returns that TM+KP, reported by II./KG 100 as lost on 2 September 1942, is also listed as 7583 (as I read the blurred image on the microfilm — see attached).

Can anyone say which St.Kz. went with which Werk Nummer (or perhaps deduce it from other W.Nr. in the TM+K_ series)?

Thanks.

Re: He 111 Stammkennzeichen
 

Nick,
the WNr. in the loss report was reported in error. It should be 7586. He 111 H-6 WNr. 7583 TM+KM was in service with KG 101 in 3.43 and with LnVRgt. in 4.43.

At least this is what I have.

Regards,
Norbert

Re: He 111 Stammkennzeichen
 

Thanks Norbert. The LN Versuchs Regiment makes sense since TM+KM was with Kdo. Rastedter over the Bay of Biscay on November 1943. Both KM and KP were with Kdo. Koch in 1942 in Greece so it's quite possible that someone inserted the wrong Werk Nummer when making the loss report.

Re: He 111 Stammkennzeichen
 

Does anyone have information about another He 111 that is probably associated with the Köthen research establishment in 1942: GJ+JH?

Thanks.

Re: He 111 Stammkennzeichen
 

He 111 H-6 WNr.7424 GJ+JH was with Beauftragter für Hochfrequenzforschung Travemünde. It made a crash landing on 10-May-44 due to technical problems at Stolp-Reitz. Damage 15%.

Regards,
Norbert

Re: He 111 Stammkennzeichen
 

Thanks Norbert. It was with Kommando Koch in Crete and Greece in October 1942.