SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

The book 'Six Months to Oblivion' shows the loss of three pilots of SG4 this day. I have details for the loss of Obfr. Heinrich Zotloterrer seeking details of the other two please,

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

1944-12-24, 2./SG 4, FW 190F-8, 581638, 10 schw, Raum Bastogne, Im Luftkampf abgeschoßen. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Fw Vogel, Richard, tot
1944-12-24, 3./SG 4, FW 190F-8, 933295, 8 gelbe, Raum Bastogne, Im Luftkampf vermutlich abgeschoßen. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Ofw Kobuhs, Lothar, vermißt
1944-12-24, 5./SG 4, FW 190F-8, 933478, Eichwald, südlich Schmidtheim, Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Uffz Paschke, Willy, tot
1944-12-24, 7./SG 4, FW 190F-8, 933272, 10 gelbe, 12 km südlich Hess.-Lichtenau, bei Kassel, Absturz infolge Bedienungsfehler bei Überführung. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Ofw Bohrmann, Rudolf, tot
1944-12-24, 8./SG 4, FW 190F-8, 586444, 10 schw, Raum Bastogne, Von Angriff auf Bastogne nicht zurück. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Ofhr Zotlöterer, Heinz, vermißt

Matti

Re: SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

Matti, thanks very much for your help, really appreciated,

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

Ofw. Kobus rest at Ehrenfriedhof Sandweiler/Luxembourg. Crashed in Northern Luxembourg. Hit Overland-Wire-cabels during low-level-flying.

Fw. Vogel looks like crashed near Seffernweich Krs. Bitburg/Eifel. Burried as unkown Airmen at Bitburg-Kolmeshöhe.

From OFhr. Zotlöterers emergency landing nearby an small french village exist photos!! (French-Luxembourg Border)

Re: SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

Hans, thanks very much for the additional inf.,

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

From OFhr. Zotlöterers emergency landing nearby an small french village exist photos!! (French-Luxembourg Border) 2nd August 2011 14:26
From OFhr. Zotlöterers emergency landing nearby an small french village exist photos!! (French-Luxembourg Border) 2nd August 2011 14:26
From OFhr. Zotlöterers emergency landing nearby an small french village exist photos!! (French-Luxembourg Border)

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Mercy le Bas 13 km SO Longuyon

Rémi

Re: SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

Did the 7th and 8th Staffel of SG 4 blong to the 2nd Gruppe or the 3rd? Did this unit add the 4th Staffel per Gruppe like the fighter units?

SG 4 reported another 6 losses on 26-Dec-44. Does anyone have any other information on Fister and Rahofer losses?

26-Dec-44, , FW 190, , Fister, Fw., , SG 4, I., I., , , , , 26-Dec-44, , Damaged, cause unknown., Injured per loss, corrected in update., RLV Ost, Gen.Qu.6.Abt.-BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/1199, p.67, , , b, F
26-Dec-44, , FW 190, , Rahofer, Fw., , SG 4, III., III., , , , , 26-Dec-44, , Damaged, cause unknown., Injured per loss, corrected in update., RLV Ost, Gen.Qu.6.Abt.-BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/1199, p.67, , , b, F
26-Dec-44, , FW 190F-8, 933475, Zunkeller, Ofw. Karl, , SG 4, III., 7., gelbe, 16 +, , , 26-Dec-44, , MIA due to Luftkampf., , RLV, WASt, , Raum Bastogne, 100%, F
26-Dec-44, , FW 190F-8, 683600, Weinreich, Ofw. Heinrich, , SG 4, II., 6., , , , , 26-Dec-44, , MIA due to Luftkampf, , RLV, WASt, , Bastogne, 100%, F
26-Dec-44, , FW 190F-8, 582293, JUNGCLAUSEN, Hptm. Heinz, , SG 4, I., 3., gelbe, 2 +, , , 26-Dec-44, , Stkp. KIA due to Luftkampf with RAF fighters., RK., RLV, WASt; Girbig, Start im Morgengrauen, , Salbing bei Borbach nördlich Soon Woods, 100%, F
26-Dec-44, , FW 190F-8, 581016, Schümer, Hptm. Erich, , SG 4, I., 1., weiße, 11+, , , 26-Dec-44, , Stfhr. KIA due to Luftkampf., , RLV, WASt, , 1km südlich Aßmannshausen, 100%, F

Re: SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

Ofw. Heinrich Weinreich, still missing in Action, changed after 1940 from Heer to Luftwaffe, flying a time as Erprobungsflieger for Henschel, shoot down one time 1944 in Italy.

Ofw. Karl Zumkeller, hit wireless cable near Baschleiden/Grand Dutchy of Luxembourg, burried at Sandweiler/Luxembourg

Schümer & Jungclausen, I have a problem with "Englische Jäger" over the River Rhine that day.

Re: SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

Dont forget Eissele,

24 12 44 III SG4 F Bastogne LFK P51 FW190 besch, unv, Eissele oblt f S, 09h20 L 10h20

Re: SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

Hi all,

I've been researching Fw190 losses on 24 Dec 1944 and have been trying to determine which airplane was downed by the 451st AAA(AW) on that day. The airplane was brought down by a combination of 40mm and .50 caliber fire and the pilot belly landed about 500yds from the guns that brought it down. Apparently the pilot was uninjured and was quickly captured by soldiers of the 451st.

It looks like OFhr Zotloterrer was flying this airplane as he was captured (according to Danny S. Parker's "To Win the Winter Sky") 8 miles southeast of Longuyon. The 451st took one of the propeller blades from this airplane and was quickly painted with the entire 31st AAA Group's scoreboard. That propeller blade currently resides in the entrance of the 31st Air Defense Artillery Brigade's headquarters and is property of the US Army Air Defense Artillery Museum.

I'll post some photos of it shortly.

v/r

Jonathan Bernstein
Director
US Army Air Defense Artillery Museum

Re: SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

After a long period of research, it seems that Fw. Vogel was shot down by 354th FG at about 10:00hrs in the morning of Dec. 24th, 1944 at Seffern, Germany. People still remember the date and the time and after an excavation of the a/c it showed up as a FW-190.

There were always doubts, if the pilot was Zotöterer, Kohbus or Vogel. But now, Vogel seems the one in question by evidencies.

Best wishes !

Horst Weber

Re: SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

Now to find out if Zotlotterrer is still alive.

Re: SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

Zotlötterer came from Vienna and work for the City of Vienna Administration. Last I hear from him is 8 years ago.

Re: SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

Hans,

Danke! A friend of mine found a record of a Heinz Zotlotterer's funeral on 6 August 2006. Hoping it isn't him. If Herr Zotlotterer is still alive, it would be wonderful to see if we can fly him to the US to be reunited with the prop blade of his airplane.

v/r

Jonathan

Re: SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

Bonjour Remi!

I have been looking for photos of Ofhr. Heinz Zotloterer's Fw190F-8 from 24 December 1944 online, but I have not found any. Would you be willing to share the photos you have? I am working on an exhibit centered on one of the propeller blades from this airplane, which we have at the Air Defense Artillery Museum.

Thanks very much!

Jon Bernstein

Re: SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

Jim P
Uffz. Max Rahofer, Stab III/SG 4 KIA: 45-04-16 Harkuwitz/Korbonk (D)
For Fister no details.
Frans A

Re: SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

Bringing this one back, now that we’re redoing the propeller exhibit. Does anyone have a photo of Zotlotter’s Schwarze 10 after it crashed? I know I have seen one, but I cannot find it anywhere. It would be great to be able to display a photo of the airplane next to its propeller blade.

Thanks!

Jon

Re: SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

Hello Jon,

in "Luftwaffe im Focus" edition no. 8 is an article about the fate of Ofhr Heinrich Zotlötterer on 24 Dec 1944 with two fotos of the belly-landed "black 10".

Regards
Leo

Re: SG4 losses on 24-12-1944
 

Thank you, Leo! I will see if I can locate a copy.

Jon