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Some photos on the internet have enough resolution to enlarge them and 'tweak' the colours, light and 'clarity'. This is the first of a number of a number of posts:

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1. Me 262 V3 000003 PC+UC. Manfred Jurleit on p. 15 of Strahljaeger Me 262 Die Technikgeschichte, (1992), gives the caption for this photo as "Vorbereitung der Me 262 V-3 zum ersten Flug" [18 July 1942]. However, Smith & Creek, Me 262 Volume One, (1997), p. 103, says "This photo is thought to show the Me 262 V3 after it was rebuilt following the accident on 11 August 1942 when it was badly damaged. The aircraft returned to flight testing on 20 March 1943 and could be distinguished by the painting of its Versuchs (experimental) number on the fin."


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2.Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 170059. Smith & Creek, Me 262 Volume Two, (1998), p. 238, captioned this photo as: "On 3 August 1944 Oblt. Hans-Guenter Mueller of Erprobungskommando 262 flew this Me 262, W.Nr. 170059, fom Leipheim to Lechfeld. He is seen here standing on the wing just prior to the flight and before operational markings had been applied to the aircraft."


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3. Under the heading SPECULATION, this photo may depict Me 262 A-2a W.Nr. 130180 9K+BL and Me 262 A-2a W.Nr. 130026 9K+AL taking off from Schwabisch-Hal for Juvincourt on 23 August 1944. However, "A" was seriously damaged in a notlandung near Charleville-Mezieres. If so, then "A" was hurriedly evacuated by road at the end of the month to Volkel for repairs.

best regards,

Jim

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4. Me 262 A W.Nr. 111711. Flown from Schwabisch-Hall to American-held Rhein-Main on 30 March 1945 by defecting test pilot, Hans Fay. Seen here being flown at Wright Field.


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5. Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 130167 V167 A Messerschmitt test aircraft at Lechfeld. It had made 303 flights by March 1945.


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6. Me 262 A-1a/U4 W.Nr. 170083 V083 Another Messerschmitt test aircraft at Lechfeld. It was fitted with a 50 mm Mauser MK214 A (V3) cannon in the nose. It was captured at Lechfeld on 29 April 1945.


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7. Me 262 A-2a W.Nr. 111685 9K+FH An aircraft of 1./KG 51 found derelict along the autobahn in Hofoldinger Forest, it is seen here with a delegation of US congressmen in the summer of 1945.

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8. Me 262 V5 W.Nr. 262 000 0005 PC+UE with a fixed tricycle undercarriage. Used 12 to 25 July 1943 to test two Rheinmetall-Borsig R 109-502 RATO engines of 500 KG thrust each to reduce take-off distances. It was found that by angling the rockets by 8 degrees to the flight attitude the boosters could reduce take-off by 340 metres to 510 metres. (O'Connel, p. 18.)


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9. Me 262 V6 W.Nr. 130001 VI+AA Smith & Creek, Me 262 Volume One, (1997), p.157 gives this caption: "The assembled entourage including Göring and Messerschmitt walk forward to inspect the Me 262 V6 on 2 November 1943."


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10. Me 262 A W.Nr. 170303 V303 In December 1944 and January 1944, Fw. Heinz Herlitzius flew this Messerschmitt test aircraft at Lechfeld. The photo, a black and white copy of one of a number of colour shots, shows it equipped with two improved Rheinmetall-Borsig R 109-503 RATO boostersof 1000 kg thrust each. They were to help Herlitzius' Me 262 lift two cement dummy 500 kg bombs into the air.


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11. Me 262 A-1a [O'Connell, p. 139] W.Nr. 111755. Captured by American forces at waldwerk Kuno I, 16 km. west of Augsburg, on 21 April 1945.

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12. Watson's Whizzers standing in front of Me 262 A-1a/U3 W.Nr. 500098 (ex-White 27 and "Joanne") now "Cookie VII". From Wolfgang Samuel, American Raiders, (2004), p. 278:
"Watson's Whizzers at Melun-Villaroche, June 27, 1945. L to R: James Holt, Robert Anspach, Harold Watson, William Haynes, Kenneth Dahlstrom, Roy Brown, Robert Strobell, Fred Hillis."


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13. Captain Roy Brown standing beside Me 262 A-1a/U3 W.Nr. 500453 White 25 "Connie the Sharp Article".


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14. Another photo of Brown with "Connie".


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15. Robert Strobell? standing with "Connie".


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16. Robert Strobell? standing in front of Me 262 B-1a W.Nr. 110639 White 35 "Vera.

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17. For this photo, Wolfgang Samuel, American Raiders, (2004), p. 224, gives this caption:
"Jim Holt and Bob Anspach facing, Ken Dahlstrom with back to camera, in front of Wilma Jeanne, Lechfeld, June 10, 1945.


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18. Strobell? in front of Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 500491 Yellow 7 "Dennis".


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19. Anspach with Me 262 A-2 (identity unknown to me) "Pauline". Note that the upper cannon port is faired over.


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20. Watson leaning on "Wilma Jeanne".


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21.Me 262 A-1a/U3 (identity unknown to me) White 30 being re-assembled at Lechfeld. Note the white-washed brick walls of the Lechfeld hangar.

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Photo 21 White 30 is most likely 500569.

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Thank you, Dan. This is good to know.

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Glad to help Jim.

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22. Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 110836 Black L "Doris". Note the two white gun rectangles beneath the cannon access door and the lack of bomb racks.



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23. Me 262 A-1a/U3 W.Nr. 500098 White 27 "Joanne" being fuelled.


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Group photo with the line-up of Me 262s at Lechfeld on 10 June 1945. Wolfgang Samuel in American Raiders, (2004), page 264 gives: "Watson with Fred Hillis and Willie Hoffmann to his right, Jim Holt and Karl Baur to his left. L to R front: Dahlstrom, Strobell, Anspach, two sergeants, Roy Brown." The two sergeants are possibly Henry Nolte and Holme Mcord, see Smith & Creek, Me 262 Volume Four, page 809.


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25. The line-up of Me 262s at Lechfeld, 10 June 1945. Possibly the order is "Vera (Hoffmann), "Joanne" (Hillis), "Pauline" (Anspach), "Dennis" (Holt), "Connie" (Brown), "Marge" (Dahlstrom), "Doris" (Baur), "Beverley Anne" (Strobell) and Wilme Jeanne" (Watson). Note that a photo found in Smith & Creek, p. 830, shows "Marge" immediately behind "Connie" in the line-up.


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26. Another view of the front of the line-up. Note that the upper tail-tip on "Vera"'s port side seems to be a solid light marking, not seen on the starboard side.

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27. A line-up of Me 262s of III./EJG 2 at Lechfeld, probably late December 1944 or very early January 1945. Note the pattern of the kaulquappe (tadpole) camouflage of experimental wooden tail fins. The nearest aircraft being towed is a Me 262 a-2a (one white gun rectangle) White 1, possibly W.Nr. 170047.


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28. On the evening of 29 April 1945, at about 1800 hrs., Ofw. Rothert of 2./Fl.U.G. 1 transferred the same Me 262 A-2a (one white gun rectangle) White 1 from München-Brunnthal to Innsbruck-Reichenau where this photo was taken.


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29. A view of the starboard side of White 1 showing a fresh late-war camouflage has been newly applied. It seems to have consisted of an overspray of the fuselage, followed by a squiggle pattern of dark colour and a new yellow band, then another light overspray of an opaque anti-dazzle paint.


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30. A view of the port side of White 1. Note that the "white S", signifying that it is not suitable for combat, has been moved back to below the horizontal stabilizer while it is missing from the starboard side.


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31. Another kaulquappe-tailed Me 262 A-1a of III./EJG 2 White 4, possibly W.Nr. 170306.

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Jim, White 4 is 170061.

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Hi Dan,

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The above is an enlargement from a photo previously posted on the web of page 414 in Smith & Creek, Me 262 Volume Two, (1998), whose caption identifies it as "W.Nr. 130017 'White 4'". To my eye, the original photo in their book shows a "306" beneath the horizontal stabilizer. On consulting the Production Log, I find on page 69: "170306 Me 262 A-1a. ... Uffz. Helmut Schmidt of 10./EJG 2, was injured on7 January 1945, in the Lechfeld area, while landing. 'White 4' was 90 percent destroyed."

This was why I captioned it "possibly W.Nr. 170306".

best regards,

Jim

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Jim, I was lucky enough to have a very good copy of that photo before being lost by hard drive failure, and it was 170061 plain as day. Granted, that was just one photo of one White 4, and there were many, as with all the other numbers. Just FYI. Take care!

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Jim,

Dan is correct - there is a clearer version of that photos that reveals the Werknummer. Note that since it was given a replacement experimental wooden fin and rudder the Werknummer was re-applied in a lower position as seen on 130xxx series machines.

Best,

David

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Dan and David,

Thank you very much for this correction. It is appreciated.

Jim

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32. The early Me 262 S series aircraft were used as conversion trainers for pilots from III./ZG 26 who were to become Erprobungskommando 262 under Hauptmann Werner Thierfelder. These Me 262s had an overall coat of RLM 76 light blue and a red nose number. This photo shows Me 262 S1 W.Nr. 130006 VI+AF Red 1 in flight.


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33. EKdo. 262's aircraft were delivered in the spring and early summer 1944. They are distinguished by the RLM 74/75 grays as upper camouflage over the RLM 76 undercoat and undersides, including on the forward engine cowls. Being a "proving" unit the individual aircraft numeral was placed on the nose. Being also a training and conversion unit, they carried a yellow band on the rear fuselage behind the cockpit as III./EJG 2 did later.


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34. Another photo of the same line-up of aircraft. Note that at this time (summer 1944), W.Nr. 170071 White 2 had the top gun port sealed and had only one white gun rectangle , thus making it a Me 262 A-2a.


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35. A still from a training film made in 1944 shows a member of the ground crew using the pull rope of the Riedel starter to activate the Junkers Jumo 109-004 turbojet. In this photo, Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 170041 White 10 has two white gun rectangles and lacks the ETC-503 bomb rack seen in other photos.


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36. Me 262 S12 W.Nr. 130017 White 4 was the aircraft that Ltn. Alfred Schreiber was flying on 26 July 1944, the day he claimed the first aerial victory by a Me 262.

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37. It is known for certain that this is a photograph of a Me 262 A-1a of Kommando Nowotny. On 8 November 1944, near Achmer, Lt. James W. Kenny of the 357th FG shot up W.Nr. 110404 White 7, causing Oblt. Franz Schall to bail out. Kenny then photographed the empty Me 262. These photos show the features of the kommando's aircraft: 1. very dark upper camouflage (including the forward nacelle cowls) whose demarcation with the RLM undersides is very low on the fuselage; 2. the individual aircraft numeral on the nose signifying a training or proving unit; and 3. the absence of the yellow band on the rear fuselage that indicates a unit is converting pilots to fly jets.


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38. Oblt. Franz Schall, staffelkapitan of 2./Kdo. Nowotny stands in front of his Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 110479 White 1 conversing with his crew chief. Because this aircraft was damaged on 28 October, Schall was flying White 7 on 8 November.


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39. Ofw. Helmut Baudach of 2./Kdo. Nowotny stands in front of what appears to be White 6.


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40. Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 110389 White 2 was being flown by Ltn. Herbert Spangenberg of 1./Kdo. Nowotny out of Achmer on 6 November 1944, when after combat with a P-51 of 357th FG, he ran out of fuel and attempted a notlandung at the factory airfield of Weser Flugzeugwerke at Lehmwerder. He was fired at by German flak on approach and overshot, crashing into a shack causing 50 % damage. Note that the yellow band has been overpainted.


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41. Under sheer speculation, these may be White 11 and White 10 of Kommando Nowotny.

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42. An air-to-air photo of Major Erich Hohagen flying the now Me 262 A-1a (two white gun rectangles) W.Nr. 170071 White 2 of III./EJG 2 at Lechfeld on 15 November 1944. (See O'Connell, pp. 54-55.) Note the natural metal forward nacelle cowl characteristic of aircraft of III./EJG 2.


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43. A line-up of aircraft of III./EJG 2: Me 262 A-1a White 10 possibly W.Nr. 110926; White 9 possibly W.Nr. 111617 and White 6 possibly 170054. As sheer speculation, these three may be the aircraft at the far end of the line-up of kaulquappe-tailed Me 262s at Lechfeld.


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44. Me 262 A-1a W. 110956 White 17 captured at Lechfeld at the end of April 1945.


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45. This is a colour photo of the fuselage of Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 110530 White 26 of 10./EJG 2 that made a notlandung on 6 February 1945 northeast of Landshut. (See O'Connell, p.85).


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46. Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 111857 was found at Innsbruck-Hotting in May 1945. It had been listed as with JV44 at München-Riem on 26 April 1945. However the natural metal forward nacelle cowls indicate that it was originally with III./EJG 2 and the photo shows where the numeral on the nose was painted over. O'Connell, p. 140, suggests it had been White 5. "Ferried from München-Riem by Obstlt. Heinz Bär on 1 or 2 May 1945."

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47. Me 262 A-1a/Jabo possibly W.Nr. 110608 Green 5 beneath an unknown wappen. Note the bomb racks. Possibly an aircraft of Kommando Stamp testing in January 1945 the dropping of bombs on bomber formations from outside the effective 1000 m. defensive fire radius.


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48. Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 111994 Black Chevron Green 3 of Stabstaffel/JG 7. Note the W.Gr. 21 rocket launcher tested in February 1945 to attack bomber formations from outside the 1000 m. radius.


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49. Me 262 A-1a (identity unknown to me) Kommandeur Chevrons Green 1 of I./JG 7 again with W.Gr. 21 rocket launchers.


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50. Me 262 A-1a/R (identity unknown to me) White 7 of III./JG 7 with 24 unguided R4M air-to-air missiles, used successfully in March 1945 to a ttack bomber formations from outside the 1000 m. radius.


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51. A close-up of a R4M wooden rack on the wing of an Me 262.

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Photo 47 is red 5.

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Thank you, Dan. What misled me is what appears to be a curlicue which I had never seen on a Luftwaffe "5". I have changed the caption accordingly.

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Gents,

The small digit under the JG 7 Geschwaderwappen is green with a white outline as seen on other Stab/JG 7 machines. Known machines are Green 1 (x3), Green 2, Green 3, Green 4 and Green 5. Strength returns indicate the possibility of a sixth aircraft.

Cheers

David

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Thank you, David. I have changed the captions of 47. and 48. accordingly.

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52. A line-up of JV 44 training aircraft at Brandenburg-Briest probably in March 1945. L. to R.: Me 262 B-1a White S (identity unknown to me), Me 262 A-1a White 1 (identity unknown to me) and Me 262 A-1a Red Q (identity unknown to me). Note: all three carry the individual aircraft code in the fighter unit position on the rear fuselage in front of the balkenkreuz.


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53. Possibly another view of Red Q.


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54. Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 110556 Red S of JV 44 possibly at Brandenburg-Briest in March 1945.


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55. Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 111588 White 5 of JV 44 possibly at Brandenburg-Briest in March 1945.


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56. Robert Forsyth in Jagdverband 44 Squadron of Experten, (2008), p. 40 labels this photograph as "Oberfeldwebel Leopold Knier of JV 44 looks on as fellow pilots and ground crew push an Me 262 back towards the dispersal stand at München-Riem in early April 1945." Note the unusually small dark 8 on the nose.

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#55 - what is the significance of what appears to be 17 painted at the base of the rudder of 111588?

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It has been suggested that, as this symbol with different numbers have been seen on other Me 262s, that it was used either in the assembling process or by repair shops to match parts to the proper aircraft.

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#55

for info Eduard Schallmoser's "white 5" during Mar 45 was WNr. 111745 .. presumably a different machine

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57. Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 111740 White 6 and W.Nr. 111746 White 3 operational with JV 44 at München-Riem.

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58. A poor photograph of W.Nr. 111746 White 3.

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59. A line-up of Me 262 A-1as of JV 44 at München-Riem in April 1945. L. to R.: W.Nr. 111745 White 5, W.Nr. 111740 White 6 and W.Nr. 111746 White 3.

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60. Another view of the same line-up. Robert Forsyth identifies the tall pilot in the forage cap as Eduard Schallmoser.

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61. An oblique frontal view of Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 111745 White 5 of JV 44.

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62. Wide-open hangar doors allowed a blanket of snow to accumulate under Me 262 A-1a/Jabo (werknummer unknown to me) B3+IK of 2./KG(J) 54. Note the tarpaulins of matching camouflage.


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63. Another view of B3+IK. Hidden in the shadows behind it is another Me 262 that has a Red 7 on its nose gear door. Note the damage to the hangar.


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64. Ofw. Friedrich Gentsch stands in front of Me 262 A-1a (werknummer unknown to me) B3+BC [Green B] of Stab II./KG(J) 54 at Neuburg an der Donau in March 1945.


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65. The white nose cap followed by a black ring and then a wider yellow one indicates that this Me 262 belongs to the first staffel of of the third gruppe of KG(J) 54. Also note that KG(J) 54 aircraft did not carry tail tip colours.



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66. Staffelkapitän Oblt. Heinz Rall stands in front of an Me 262 A-1a of 8./KG(J) 54. Note the lack of nose colours/rings for this staffel.

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67. Probably Me 262 A-2a W.Nr. 110662 Red 3 of the Ausbuldungs Kommando II./KG(J) 54. Note the broken nose gear door.


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68. A poor picture of the same Red 3. It was found by American forces at Moosburg, near Erding, Germany. While the Red 3 is hardly visible, the Yellow 10 that had been painted over is discernable.


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69. This very poor photo shows the placing of the smaller than normal Red 3 and the Death's Head wappen on the fuselage. The white/blue karoband of KG(J) 54 is much clearer.


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70. A view of the Starboard side of Red 3.


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71. Note the broken nose gear door on this horrible photograph. However, the camouflage pattern is the same in the photo below.


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72. This view of probably W.Nr. 110662 Red 3 shows the single white gun rectangle and bomb rack of an A-2a. These photos confirm the information about its armament found in the document dated "21.o4.45" at Prague seen on page 146 of Brown etal., Messerschmitt Me 262 Production and Arado Ar 234 Final Operations, (JaPo, 2012).

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What documentation is there that this is 110662?

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Hi Dan,

You are right. There is no photographic evidence of the werknummer. However, since it matches the description in the document mentioned in #72 and place of operation of this unit at the end April 1945, to me it quacks like a duck. I have changed the captions using the word "probably".

best regards,

Jim

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Dan,

Check the folder I sent you for complete information on this machine. It’s Werknummer and E-Kenn. are confirmed via documents and photographs.

Best,

David

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110662 Call sign GT+LH. Me 262 A-1a. This A-1a was test flown by Hptm. Toni Lotter at Neuburg on 4 January 1945 at 12:29-12:43. While stationed with I./KG(J) 54, it made six takeoffs totaling two hours and ten minutes at Giebelstadt in January 1945, where it was still in service on 5 February 1945. An Ultra intercept on 1 March of a I./KG 51 document stated that it would be serviceable on 2 March.



This is what I have on it, no mention of Moosburg. I am extremely careful about Me 262 WN'r. You have both given me information that will take me some time to analyze. Thank you!

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73. Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 111690 White 5 of 1./JG 7 was flown from Zatec (Saaz), Czechoslovakia to British-held Fassberg, Germany on 8 May 1945 by Oblt. Fritz Stehle, staffelkapitän of 2./JG 7. Note the small RAF roundel with the outer yellow ring and the lack of RAF fin flashes common to Fassberg Me 262s. It was given Air Ministry No. 80 and ferried by S/Ldr. Tony F. Martindale on 5 August 1945 from Fassberg via Twente to Melsbroek, the next day to Manston and on the 7th to RAE Farnborough.


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74. Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 110800 White 7 of 9./JG 7 was flown from Zatec (Saaz) to Fassberg on 8 May 1945 by Uffz. Günther Engler of 2./JG 7. It was given British markings and flown from Fassberg to Lübeck-Blankensee by W/C. Warren E. Schrader on 27 May 1945.


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75. Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 500210 Yellow 17 (note the Red 7 on the nosegear door) of 3./JFG 7 was flown from Zatec (Saaz) to Fassberg on 8 May 1945 by Ltn. Hans Dorn of 1.(?)/JG 7. Like White 5 above, it does not carry the JG 7 wappen but has its blue/red RVT bands on the rear fuselage. It was flown from Fassberg to Lübeck by F/Lt. Clive Gosling on 27 May 1945. Likely transferred from Lübeck to Schleswig in early June, it was ferried from Schleswig via Twente to Melsbroek on 9 June 1945 then to RAE Farnsborough via Manston the same day.

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http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....&pictureid=873

76. Me 262 A-1a/Jabo or A-2a W.Nr. 500200 Black X of 2./KG 51 was flown from Zatec (Saaz) to Fassberg on 8 May 1945 by Fj. Ofw. Hans Fröhlich of E.Schwarm Me 262 des G.d.S. It was flown from Fassberg via Twente to Melsbroek by S/Ldr. Tony F. Martindale on 28 August 1945. That same day, Lt. Cdr. Eric Brown, RN, flew it from Melsbroek to Manston. On 6 September it reached RAE Farnborough.


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77. Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 111007? Yellow or Green 5 of III./JG 7 was flown from Zatec (Saaz) to Fassberg on 8 May 1945 by Uffz. Anton Schöppler of 11./JG 7. Note that the third digit of the werknummer has been shaded in on both sides of the tailfin. So far I have seen no evidence that it was flown out of Fassberg.

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Thanks again for posting these, I'm really enjoying this thread.
Regarding #(77), I note you have captioned the actual photo as 110007.

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Thanks, Andy. My bad! I've corrected the caption on the photo since 110007 is not a valid werknummer and I believe Dan O'Connell got it right. See pages 121-122 in Me 262 Production Log.

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W.Nr.110007 is clearly and readable. The rest is just speculation
https://i.imgur.com/hQfQqYW.jpg

Original source
https://canadianaerospace.weebly.com...in-canada.html

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For what it is worth, Philippe Saintes (in his Lela Presse Les pertes des Me 262)
also lists this one as WNr 110007

Cheers
Stig