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Captured German planes, not from eBay
Hi there Gang,
As many other sources then eBay do exist for captured german planes, here another dedicated thread. Photos from the National danish Museums: Kastrup May 1945 and beyond: Fw 190 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213962 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/249436 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/218116 Fw 190 and He 219 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213616 He 219 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/218142 Ju 88 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/214028 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/243316 Ju 188 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/249245 Ju 290 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/249459 Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 412 958 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/249336 Bf 109 G-14 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/154102 Cheers Marc |
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As a follow-up, other photos from the Danish National Museums:
Location unknown: Fw 190 W.Nr. 0605 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213744 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213745 Si 204 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213749 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213747 Cheers Marc |
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I notice that the He 219 is captioned As "Dornier 217 J-2 with FuG"!
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like for many museums, captions could be greatly enhanced. You can by the way interact by filling in directly your comment on each of the scanned photo. Cheers Marc |
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Still some others, form the same source (Danish National Museums)
Location unknown: Ar 96 and Si 204 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/211036 Ju 88 G http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213944 Bf 110, He 111 and Si 204 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213600 Si 204 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/249253 Skrydstrup Ju 88 G-7 (?) http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/17607 Bf 109 G-6, 3./Erg.JG 3 (with thanks to Franck Benoîton for the pointer) http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213649 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213973 Cheers Marc |
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Still some others, form the same source (Danish National Museums)
Nykøping Fw 190 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213955 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213951 Kastrup Ju 88 G and Bf 109 G-14 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/153676 Grove http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/211131 Location unknown: Bü 181 and Ju 52 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213715 Ju 88 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213654 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/272344 Cheers Marc |
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No, the museums should consult experts. Not let public do the job for them. Most likely "Dornier" comes from just such "help". |
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By the way, I'd suggest that this is He 219 A-0, W.Nr. 210901, B4+AA of Nachtjagdstaffel Norwegen. |
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Cheers Marc |
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From the same source (Danish National Museums)
Kastrup Ju 88 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213654 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/272344 Ju 88 A-12 DG+_I "70" of FFS B 34 (?!) was "opdaget i Lergravene" in St.Magleby area, an dispersal area for FlH Kastrup - near todays Copenhagen-Kastrup Airport (IATA: CPH, ICAO: EKCH) Some structures still exist there (info: 1993) (note "DG+_I" can also be +_T") Colour dia of "70" from other side shows Yellow under cowlings and radiators. "White 70" |
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Many thanks Ed ! Cheers Marc |
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Thanks for posting these, Marc.
Cheers, D.B. |
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Thank you, Marc.
Regards, Ed |
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Thanks Marc.
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D. B., edwest2 and Michiel,
You're most welcome. It is great to find from time to time new hoards of photos. Cheers Marc |
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Marc et al.,
Thank you for the great new photos and information. Respectfully, Steve Sheflin |
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May I suggest you fill in tyske fly in the sog på samlinger track and trace line in top right corner?
You will then find quite a few German aircraft which has been missed out. Of course you will probably get everything already discovered by Marc (well done by the way :) ) You will pretty soon see a Heinkel 111 G (in colour) and an abandoned Fi 156 which has been redecorated by, by now, rather happy Danish citizens I presume :) They of course range from the indifferent to the faultily identified ones, but in between there are some pretty gemstones. For those interested in older stuff there are a couple of Etrich Tauben and quite a few French early birds as well. The Tauben photos are the best gems in my mind....:o I will start my own search tomorrow....to tired.... Cheers Stig |
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http://samlinger.natmus.dk/search?q=fly Besides : I can inform those of you who come across an USAAF marked B-17G lying on belly on very smooth white (Ice) field with an UC-64 Norseman beside it - shot taken from an C-46/47 then its not "island" but "Grönland" in background and East Coast near Skjöldungen to be exact. 42-97854 was on way to 390th BG in Britain, but got lost after very bad navigation (if any) but was lead in by Contract Carrier Curtiss C-46 Commando of NEA Capt. Dana (flight Narsasuaq to Keflavik Meeks Field weekly "Milk run" from Boston MA). No, that B-17 is not waiting there still with the key in the lock. |
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Regarding Ju 290 A-7 photo - probably 0186/A3+OB
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Skrydstrup Ju 88 is a G-6 not G-7. A lot of the photoes are well known in Denmark both units and exact locations.
Junker |
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I thought writing 'tyske fly' would narrow down the search finds, but it seems to be rather the opposite. Tyske fly: 7996 hits, fly: 1060 hits....:confused: Perhaps looking through all 7996 is a bit to much for most of us...:) Anyway, I am looking forward to go through them. Let's see how far I get... Cheers Stig |
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Hmmm And do you know one? :) |
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Then why dont do it the professional way from start. Example. Like one museum in East Anglia. Holds lots of interesting stuff - but has no facilities for viewing on their premises. Has no funds for running, likely income in area does not provide enough taxes for allocationg funds to museums.. One is forced (no other options?) order time in viewing room in central city, tenths of miles away, have items transferred there in advance - but readings rooms are small, frequintly full, and have greatly reduced opening hours and open just four days per week. Caveat not going there or doing that. Price: One less tourist in area. Less income in local shops. Less pasengers on trains. Less nights sold at local Hotels. Less sales in restaurants in area. Less income in taxes. Do that x-many times and depression will resault. One sees it also in published books and articles in that country. Poor research (or no research). Photos blown up to cover more pages. Photos likely provided free... then no funds for running photo storage. Little paid for articles, then little income for authors need for food. Then authors starve. Dead authors do not do research. Caveat: No new research. |
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Where are the lists of exact locations and W.Nrs.. I have several danish books on this. But they are old and provide few details. |
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It's possible to write comments, as I have done in most cases, but sadly the original ones are newer changed:-(
Junker |
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Ah, people in charge are not able people. Likely they are fighting spam comments and can not see any need for real info. Maybe they themselves wrote that text and find comments insaulting.
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Post 2 All Aalborg-West. Post 3 Fw 190 Grove. Post 6 Si 204 Aalborg-West, Ju 88 G-6 Faarhus NJG 4 and last two are Skrydstrup. Post 7 Fw 190 not Aalborg but Grove SG 151, bücker and Ju 52 are Bøtø, and the Ju 88 are from Kastrup.
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Hi,
Ed and Junker: It appears that this very long series of free available pictures is very new/recent according people who use to open this site. It's a new service and does concern the whole museum collection; not only planes, not only WWII but folklore, archeology, tradition, history, old roman money, coins, paintings and so on ... as you can discover by yourself. I think and guess we can't - for the moment - expect a lot from them. And yes, when you make and send correction(s) maybe they don't care because the job is far to be finished, because they don't have the time to check correction whatever the reason. The only one I know so far who use to check in this collection, going in physically, is our friend Soren who run his own site using the document he "fished" in museum collection. So, be indulgent with them. I do not intend to correct something, I just discovered this site and its browser which doesn't seem to have been "calibrate" for my/our purpose... Starting by "Messerschmidt" giving you some answers and "Messerschmitt" giving you other answers ... :) To make short it's a "work in progress stuff" ! Regards, Franck. |
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These pictures were not normally free to view. And I am one of a very few who were granted acces before these pictures were put online. Normal fee for one picture is about 750 DKK=100 EUR. In the end there will be more LW pictures, because I have seen most of them and quite a few still awaits publishing on the site. If you publish them there is a fee to pay as well.
Sadly the people running this service do normally not consider non professionel historians as a valid source for informations. Junker |
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"Sadly the people running this service do normally not consider non professionel historians as a valid source for informations."
Sadly this appears case of professional vanity. Other factors are competion for funds, that does not serve anyone. I know for a fact Aviation History is largly ignored in many countries, like here, and no teachers. Even many air-, airport companies and aviation authorities suffer from incopetence - in that no one there knows their own history - or aviation history in general. |
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Cheers Marc |
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Here some more, no details known:
Ju 88 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213892 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/272344 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213654 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213895 Fi 156, St. Hedinge, May 1945 after having flown in from Latvia. http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/217210 Fi 156, Beldring, 1945. http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/217052 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/246835 Ju 88 /Ju 188, Beldring, 1945 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/217057 Ju 88, Me 410 being wrecked, Beldring, 1945. http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/214021 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/214015 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/214027 Cheers Marc |
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Thanks for sharing these, Marc
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Junkers 88 G
http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/214076 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/214115 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/214073 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/214114 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/249346 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213974 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213944 http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/213640 source: National danish Museum |
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Steve and RudiS,
You’re most welcome ! Spektor, Thanks for the complement Cheers Marc |
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This post refers to p. 4, No. 34, "Ju 88, Me 410 Being Wrecked" posted by Marc Haldiman. The photo in question is of a badly smashed Me 410 with other debris in the background, said Beldring, Denmark, 1945.
At the rish of being derided, I have tried to work with the above photo to identify the Werknummer beneath the Hakenkreuz. I now believe it to be 470 150. At least, I'm pretty sure of x70 150. I confess that 470 150 lies beyond the 470 140 normally cited for the last of the 470 xxx block, but if Petrick/Stocker are correct, it cannot be 170 150, 100 per. loss in 1944. Comments would be welcomed here. Perhaps Jörn Junker has some ideas about my observations. RA |
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Greetings Rabe,
Absolutely no derision here, but if you’re referring to this photo: http://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/214015 Then I think it’s actually Bf 410 B-3 (WNr. 190156). I attempted to post an enlargement of its Werknummer, but failed miserably. Respectfully, Steve Sheflin |
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Greetings Everyone,
Regarding Post #36, At the risk of repeating well-known information, these six Ju 88 G-6 night fighters were found abandoned at Fårhus, Denmark, just across the border from Germany. They were last operational with II./NJG4 and at least two featured FuG240 N-12 Berlin dish radar with a wooden nose cone. Respectfully, Steve Sheflin |
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