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Hi All

Anyone who has an idea which unit or even which pilot in JG 51 who flow this one?
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=290160094587
The unit signs are confusing,since the gun-slinging Mickey is supposed to be with 1./JG 51 while the raven with a cold is supposed to have been II./JG 51 or 5th or 6th St.

Cheers
Stig

Hi,

it`s a mount (white 1) of Olt.Josef Fozo CO of the 4/JG51 taken in October 1940.

Robert

Thank's Robert

Any idea why the Staffelsign has been said to be from 1./JG 51??

Cheers
Stig

Hi,

at the early stage of war it was Mickey Mous on blue disk. It disappeared in late 1940.

Robert

Hello Robert.

There is 2 things
1/_ the staffel insignia of the 1./ JG 51 introduced by Douglas Pitcairn represented by the Micky Maus of the 3./J 88 (the last one) in a blue circle. When Douglas Pitcairn was replaced by H-F Joppien the 5th august 40 at the head of the 1./ JG 51, the new commander keep the insignia but add a white line surrounding the blue circle.

2/_ the insignia on the 109 of Fözö is the remembering of the legion Condor with the size as it was on the 109 in Spain,

At the iniative of Schmoller-haldy a pin was created for the pilots who served at the 3./ J 88. Some of them as Fözö, Schmoller-Haldy or Hubertus von Bonin continued to paint the Micky Maus in their 109 during 1940.

Thank you

Ps: If someone can help me for my book about this subject he will be welcomed

Hi Many,

the white outline was already in October 1939 (take a look at photo no.317 in Prien`s JFV Part 2). I think this emblem has 2 versions already as it was introduced. E.g. white 13 of Baer had emblem without this white outline.

Regards

Robert

Hello Robert.

I have seen what you mean, But the white 5 of Joppien had also a big surrounding white line. Also in October , even, if the official insignia was without the big white line surrounding the insignia.

It is probable that Helmut Maul in white 12 was the wingman to Joppien.

The only thing I am sure that the official insignia was without the white surrounding the insignia and when Joppien replaced Douglas Pitcairn at the head of 1./ JG 51 the insignia changed with the add of the white line.

Hi,

so you mean Mickey Mous not the disk?
The problem is that I saw only few photos (white 2,7,13) taken in late summer 1940.

Regards

Robert

What I said

The Micky Maus was always in a Blue disc for the official insignia of 1./ JG 51 from september 39 till the 5th august 40.

After this date when Joppien took over the command of the staffel, he add a white line surrounding the blue disc.

But as I told you already in october 39 Joppien in White 5 and Maul in White 12 had surrounded the blue disc with the white line.

It exist a photo showing all the staffel of 1./ JG 51 on the stairs of Chateau de guines in august 40 when Joppien took the command of the staffel and at the left side of the wall the blue disc outlined of the white and the famous Micky.

another photo more funny show a part of the garden and it represent's the insignia with flowers and white flowers surrounding a Micky Maus stylized in flowers to.