Adolf Gallands FS with wing guns 1941
 

any info on adolf Gallands F models with wing guns he fitted in 1941, i know he claimed 2 vics> but what happened then why didnt the air min, approve"" this id say he was a brill thinker.
as i know v molders" liked just 3 guns but he was a exspert marksmen.
i myself liked the single cannon,and two wing guns.
if i was a pilot .
any info why Gallands ideas were dumb founded by the higher command.
GARY.

Re: Adolf Gallands FS with wing guns 1941
 

The wing of the 109F was actually weaker than that of the 109E, in that the ribs were placed further apart and the stress was supposed to be taken up by the skin which I thought had been thickened (but this could be wrong), and Mtt must have pooped bricks when he saw guns installed within the wing of the 109F. In fact, the wings on the standard 109F began to buckle in service, and they needed to be reinforced. See Caldwell's book on JG 26. The Spaniards would mount guns in the wings after the war, but only with lots of reinforcing of the area.

So, that's why the RLM never followed up on the guns in the wing idea of Galland. Galland, by the way, was an advocate of lots of bullets in the air to ensure something hit the target. 3 guns was considered to be pretty pathetic, especially when compared to the large number of guns on most Allied a/c, and it wasn't that great against bombers either. The crews of those bombers fearing the firepower of the 190 far more that that of the standard 109.

Regarding the RLM not OKing those 2 victories of his, perhaps someone else can respond to that.

Re: Adolf Gallands FS with wing guns 1941
 

HI> Georg. many thanks as to the 2 vics, GALLAND" said so.as i read.his book .and a site on Google too.
by that time later on he was to be in charge of molders.nov 41 command.so 2 vics.theres a gun camera footage too.
ive seen as 5 vapors coming from his guns at spitfire5s.and he was climbin out of his cockpit on landing.maybe who knows.
thanks for info ..
GARY

Re: Adolf Gallands FS with wing guns 1941
 

Hello, inside a Foto of Galland and his "Waffenjodler" Olemotz (left). Greetings Peglar

Re: Adolf Gallands FS with wing guns 1941
 

Dank fine photo your a star.
AND A HERO .
GARY

Re: Adolf Gallands FS with wing guns 1941
 

George, did the G and K models get their wings beefed up?

Re: Adolf Gallands FS with wing guns 1941
 

Yes, a report on the further development of the 109, of October 1942, notes that the 109 G-1 has a strengthened wing and mentions something about the skinning but I cannot read the actual words associated with it. If someone has a clean copy of this extract, I would appreciate getting the wording.
Thanks,
George

Re: Adolf Gallands FS with wing guns 1941
 

Thanks George.

Did the K-6 get further strengthening with the wing mounted cannons or were the wings strong enough already?

Re: Adolf Gallands FS with wing guns 1941
 

I'm sorry, but I have no data on the wing strength of the K-6.
All the best,
George

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"Weiterentwickung von Bf 109 - Motor DB 605 statt DB 601
Druckkabine; verstärkter Flügel ...om Rippen Beplankung) rollengelagerter Vorflügel
elt. Wendekorizont, grundsätzlich mit Leitungsverlegungen für GM 1 Anlage im Flügel und
Leitungen sowie Beschläge für Reichweiten- u. Abwurfwaffenanlage ... Flügelgondelbewaffnung,
Wasser- u. Ölkühlerautomatik, Ölbehälter auf 36l vergrößert Rückenpanzerung u. Kopfschutz, Kühlerpanzerung und Leichtmetallpanzerung"

that´s what I am able to read. The reinforced wing was achieved within spars and skin according to this statements.

Regards

Roland

Re: Adolf Gallands FS with wing guns 1941
 

In 1942 the wing of the Bf 109 was strengthened two times: in early 1942 (already planed in 1941 for late batches of F-4s) and late 1942 (starting with G-4 series, also in late batches of G-2s). This second time the fuselage was reinforced too (altogether, weight increased ~42 kg).

The wings were differentiated by plates on wing rib 1 noting the type of strengthening: "V" or "VE".

Re: Adolf Gallands FS with wing guns 1941
 

Thanks Roland and Ivan.
George

Re: Adolf Gallands FS with wing guns 1941
 

Roland and Ivan, thanks.

Another question: Do you know the skin thickness before and after and was the skin thickness increased for the whole span or just a part of the span?

Re: Adolf Gallands FS with wing guns 1941
 

Couple years ago we measured several wings of the Bf 109 around Finland (E-7, F-2, G-2 and G-6). I have the results hiding somewhere; but IIRC overall increase in the thickness of the wing skin was well over 50% (from F-2 to G-6) and particularly the part around the mainwheel got quite a lot of strenghtening.

The late F-4 wing seems to be practically same as the early G-2 wing.