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Re: Photos 4-13-05

The first shot is a captured Soviet SB bomber.

Re: Photos 4-13-05

Another cracking selection of images Ed!!!

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=6170783943
...??? is an Avia B.71 coded in the SE+?? range, but I can't make out the last two letters...

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...ayphotohosting
Fw200... can anybody confirm the code? Looks like VB+UA to me...

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=6170805022
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=6170805037
These two Fokker G-1 images are amongst the clearest I've ever seen... and with a full code NF+UN visable too!

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=6170818481
..is an Airspeed Envoy.. partical coded ??+CQ... and suggestions for the complete code?

cheers

Peter D Evans
LEMB moderator

Re: Photos 4-13-05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter D Evans

Another cracking selection of images Ed!!!

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=6170783943
...??? is an Avia B.71 coded in the SE+?? range, but I can't make out the last two letters...

How come you are so sure it is not an original SB, from the markings?

Re: Photos 4-13-05

This pic: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=6170848533 depicts two Arado Ar 68 fighters - an Ar 68 F and an Ar 68 E (in the background).

Re: Photos 4-13-05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruy Horta

How come you are so sure it is not an original SB, from the markings?

Your right Ruy... I'm not 100% sure... :)

I was going on the asumption that most of the Beute B.71's were licence-built Ant.40's. The list below is an example of the SE+ code and w.nr's a group of us are currently putting together:

SE+DQ Avia B-71 wnr156
SE+DR Avia B-71 wnr157
SE+DS Avia B-71 wnr158
SE+DT Avia B-71 wnr159
SE+DU Avia B-71 wnr160
SE+DV Avia B-71 wnr161
SE+DW Avia B-71 wnr162
SE+DX Avia B-71 wnr163
SE+DY Avia B-71 wnr164
SE+DZ Avia B-71 wnr165
SE+EA Avia B-71 wnr167
SE+EB Avia B-71 wnr168
SE+EC Avia B-71 wnr169
SE+ED Avia B-71 wnr170
SE+EE Avia B-71 wnr171
SE+EF Avia B-71 wnr172
SE+EG Avia B-71 wnr173
SE+EH Avia B-71 wnr174
SE+EI Avia B-71 wnr175
SE+EJ Avia B-71 wnr176
SE+EK Avia B-71 wnr177
SE+EL Avia B-71 wnr178
SE+EM Avia B-71 wnr179
SE+EN Avia B-71 wnr180
SE+EO Avia B-71 wnr181
SE+EP Avia B-71 wnr182
SE+EQ Avia B-71 wnr183
SE+ER Avia B-71 wnr184
SE+ES Avia B-71 wnr185
SE+ET Avia B-71 wnr186
SE+EU Avia B-71 wnr187
SE+EV Avia B-71 wnr188
SE+EW Avia B-71 wnr189
SE+EX Avia B-71 wnr190
SE+EY Avia B-71 wnr191
SE+EZ Avia B-71 wnr192
SE+FA Avia B-71 wnr193
SE+FB Avia B-71 wnr194
SE+FC Avia B-71 wnr195
SE+FD Avia B-71 wnr196
SE+FE Avia B-71 wnr197
SE+FF Avia B-71 wnr198
SE+FG Avia B-71 wnr199
SE+FH Avia B-71 wnr200
SE+FI Avia B-71 wnr201
SE+FJ Avia B-71 wnr202
SE+FK Avia B-71 wnr203
SE+FL Avia B-71 wnr204
SE+FM Avia B-71 wnr205
SE+FN Avia B-71 wnr206
SE+FO Avia B-71 wnr207
SE+FP Avia B-71 wnr208
SE+FQ Avia B-71 wnr209
SE+FR Avia B-71 wnr210
SE+FS Avia B-71 wnr211
SE+FT Avia B-71 wnr212
SE+FU Avia B-71 wnr213
SE+FV Avia B-71 wnr214
SE+FW Avia B-71 wnr215
SE+FX Avia B-71 wnr216

....along with this thread on the LEMB
http://p069.ezboard.com/fluftwaffeex...opicID=4.topic

cheers

Peter D Evans
LEMB moderator

Re: Photos 4-13-05

Good grief guys! How how can one tell the difference between a B-71 and an SB 2 M-100 from that picture!

According to M. Maslov, in his Tuolev SB monograph (a fantastic book), both captured SB and B-71s operated together in LW service

One way may be the location of the swastika. If it is on the rudder it is a B-71, if it is on the fin it is an SB. Good a way as any. :rolleyes:

Re: Photos 4-13-05

Thanks for the insight Steven... :)

In that case then, the image is of an SB-2 as per Ruy's suggestion. The swastika on the rudder/fin check is a new one on me! Wonder why the difference?

BTW, is there anything in the monograph matching W.Nr.s with types or Luftwaffe codes?

Cheers

Peter D Evans
LEMB moderator

Re: Photos 4-13-05

Hasn't SB-2 become a "no no" designation?

:D

However, judging by the photo captions in Tupolev SB in Action, the Swastika position could differ on B-71s, being positioned on the rudder, but sometimes on the fin.

Of course old Hans-Heiri Stapfer could be wrong!

Re: Photos 4-13-05

You can call it anything you want.

http://misc.kitreview.com/bookreview...reviewse_1.htm

I hope everyone realizes I was being a bit facetious about the swastika placement. :D

Re: Photos 4-13-05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruy Horta

Hasn't SB-2 become a "no no" designation?

You've lost me with that one Ruy!.... :)

cheers

Peter D Evans
LEMB moderator

Re: Photos 4-13-05

Thank you everyone! Quite enlightening.

Ed

Re: Photos 4-13-05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modeldad

You can call it anything you want.

http://misc.kitreview.com/bookreview...reviewse_1.htm

Thanks for the pointer to your review... off to see where I can order a copy!

Quote:

I hope everyone realizes I was being a bit facetious about the swastika placement. :D

GRRRRRRRRR..... :) You had me going there Steven... I even checked the date to make sure it wasn't April 1st!!!

cheers

Peter D Evans
LEMB moderator

Re: Photos 4-13-05

Can somebody state when these two Ju52 pictures were shot?

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=6170485554

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=6170486175

Thank you all in advance.