Ju 88 of 4/LG1 lost on 23 of December 1944
 

Hello,

I'm looking after some information (Werke nr, circumstances of crash,...) about the crash of a Ju 88 S-3 from 4/LG1 lost on the 23 of December 1944 in the area of East of Hannut (around 20.00 Hrs), Belgium.
Crewmembers were:
Fw Johänntges Albert (WND)
Uffz Flaskämper Joachim (WND)
Ogfr Conrad Willi (POW)
Uffz Rodow (MIA)
Can someone confirm the information about the crewmembers?
Regards,

Alexander

Re: Ju 88 of 4/LG1 lost on 23 of December 1944
 

'K' report gives aircraft code of L1+KM And it took off with two incendiary containers to attack Motor Tansport concentrations between Aachen and Metz. After bombing an unknown railway station aircraft was attacked by a nightfigter and shot down. Crew baled out but it was thought the B/M went down with the aircraft,

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: Ju 88 of 4/LG1 lost on 23 of December 1944
 

Thanks Brian!!

Re: Ju 88 of 4/LG1 lost on 23 of December 1944
 

To Brian:
Do you have the name of the RAF or USAAF crew involved in the claim? Was that the crew of F/L Graham White, DFC** ( former 141 Squadron )?

Re: Ju 88 of 4/LG1 lost on 23 of December 1944
 

Sorry Adriano I just have the 'K' report I believe RAF Mosquito Squadrons submitted nine claims for Ju88/188's this night but I have not linked any of them. The report shows L1+KM took off from Aalhorn at 1730 hrs. and was shot down at 2000 hrs near Hannut in the vicinity of Liege. I hope the time of the shoot-down might help if anyone has the times of the claims,

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: Ju 88 of 4/LG1 lost on 23 of December 1944
 

Hello,

There were indeed numerous claims by RAF Mosquito squadrons that night. Perhaps L1+KM was shot down by F/L K.W. Stewart and F/O H.E. Brumby of 488 (NZ) Squadron who claimed 1 Ju 88 destroyed 10 m W of Maeseyck at 19:56 hrs (and another Ju 88 at 20:40). Other claims seem to be either too early or too late (the same applies to a sole claim by 425 NFS USAAF). Stewart and Brumby were flying Mosquito Mk.XXX MM822 on this occasion.

Hope this helps a little,

Ota

Re: Ju 88 of 4/LG1 lost on 23 of December 1944
 

If anyone has the chance check out the No. 85 Group ORB and appendices at the National Archives, their Intelligence Officer often included wreck reports and a note of which of the Group's crews brought the aircraft down.

Re: Ju 88 of 4/LG1 lost on 23 of December 1944
 

Ota, thanks for that information,

Brian Bines

Re: Ju 88 of 4/LG1 lost on 23 of December 1944
 

23 Dec 44 was not a great evening for LG 1 in that it lost 4 a/c. Then it lost 4 more on the 24th. F1+KM, W.Nr. 330 933, was detailed to carry out a nuisance raid (Störeinsatz) in the area Aachen - Metz. The observer, Uffz Joachim Flaskämper, noted that they took-off at 17:25. On the way to the target, they lost their radio compass. They bombed a railway station. At about 20:30 they were attacked by a night fighter. The pilot, Fw Albert Johänntges, ordered them to bail out. The gunner, Uffz Wilhelm Rudow, was jammed in the entry door (reason not stated), so they had to jettison the rear cockpit and bail out over the rear fuselage. Uffz Flaskämper hit the tail unit and received serious injury to a leg/foot. They were captured by British soldiers shortly after landing, and were treated to hot cups of "Sanka."

The crew was:
Fw Albert Johänntges - FF - PoW
Uffz Joachim Flaskämper - BO - PoW
Ogefr Willi Konrad - BF - PoW
Uffz Wilhelm Rudow - BS - Dead

All from "Die Geschichte des Lehrgeschwaders 1 (Band 2)" by Peter Taghon.

Hope this helps,
George

Re: Ju 88 of 4/LG1 lost on 23 of December 1944
 

Hello Mr. Hopp;

You belive W.Nr. and code is correct?
W.Nr. 330933 was damaged or lost 18.08.44 as L1+FN.

cheers
ed

Re: Ju 88 of 4/LG1 lost on 23 of December 1944
 

Whenever anyone calls me by my surname, I know I'm in for a shit-kicking. But, you do it very gently, Ed.

From the same reference as my original post I have for 18.08.44 the following two a/c losses: L1+MM, W.Nr. 330 850; and L1+IP, W.Nr. 330 925. But, on the 19th I show the loss of L1+FN, W.Nr. 330 833.

Hope that helps, Ed,
George

Re: Ju 88 of 4/LG1 lost on 23 of December 1944
 

Good evening .... George,

No I do not know if someone shit-kicks gently or not in Canada. Certainly not my intention at all. You may have L1+FN as 330 833 lost on 19.08.44 - The other two agree with me - same as I have (but likely not the same source - my source is still stamped SECRET) - Yet I have Henschel made Ju 88 S-3 W.Nr. 330 933 NR+PG / L1+FN stated as loss on 18.08.44.

BTW: F1+ was usually KG 76 (typo perhaps?)

cheers
ed

Re: Ju 88 of 4/LG1 lost on 23 of December 1944
 

Yes, there is always the chance of a typo. But, at what point did the ID F1+ enter the conversation? You lost me there.

All the best,
George

Re: Ju 88 of 4/LG1 lost on 23 of December 1944
 

You wrote... (BefQ) "23 Dec 44 was not a great evening for LG 1 in that it lost 4 a/c. Then it lost 4 more on the 24th. F1+KM, W.Nr. 330 933, was detailed to carry out a nuisance raid (Störeinsatz) in the area Aachen - Metz." (EofQ)

cheers, ed

Re: Ju 88 of 4/LG1 lost on 23 of December 1944
 

One giant OOPS is owed you there, Ed! It was a slip of the finger, and as you can see, until you mentioned it here this evening, I hadn't noticed it myself. Anyway, I meant, L1+KM. Thanks for pointing it out, so no one need get confused as to what I meant to say.

All the best,
George

Re: Ju 88 of 4/LG1 lost on 23 of December 1944
 

Hello ,

That Ju-88 who was claimed by F/L Stewart and F/O Brumby could be the following one. Hasselt is about 30 miles of Maaseik ( Maeseyck )

Hasselt

Ju-88 G-1 Mosquito 4./NJG 2 Vechta
Lt Wolfram Möchel (POW)
Uffz Stendke Gerhard (POW)
Uffz Harling Johann (POW)