Klemm Kl 36 A
 

Hi there,

This one's a bit outside the domain of TOCH, but here goes!

I'm looking for pictures of Klemm Kl 36 A touring planes used in the 1934 International Air Challenge. Amazingly, a main plate from one of the four Kl 36 participants in that event has survived. That plate is from Kl 36 A WNr. 659, D-IHAV.

Can anyone direct me to or provide a source for photos of WNr. 659. or any of the other A models that were involved in the '34 Air Challenge?

I will post a scan of D-IHAV's plate in a few days.

Thanks,
Steve

Re: Klemm Kl 36 A
 

You can find a photo of a sister aircraft from that competition at http://www.sampol.de/angielski/Chall...llenge_eng.htm

Additional photos of other Kl 36 at http://www.luftarchiv.de/

Looking forward to seeing the plate!

Re: Klemm Kl 36 A
 

Hi Stephen

Are you sure about the registration D-IHAV

I have is the stkz base as Ar66 W.Nr.78 first D-2335

source: German Secret Flight Test Centres to 1945
by Beauvais, Koessler, Mayer and Regel; Midland Counties
Publications 2002, ISBN 1 85780 127 X

Regards

Peter van Gogh

Re: Klemm Kl 36 A
 

Thanks Mikael - here it is.

http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.p...fi122j&thumb=4

The plates as shown are all still riveted to an original single piece of the airplane's skin (engine cowl, fuselage?). Whoever took this souvenir did a very careful cutting job. Note the Handley Page plate in reference to Klemm's use of HP's wing slat design!

Thanks Peter - I'm not positive about D-IHAV, but that's what's stated at LuftArchiv. They also state D-IJIP for Wnr. 656, and that's the code seen in the picture Mikael mentioned.

I have to believe that photos were taken of all four of the Kl 36 A airplanes. The question is how many of those photos exist and where are they? So far it's just D-IJIP . . .

Best regards all,
Steve

Re: Klemm Kl 36 A
 

Hello ! You are right ,Gogh :
The D-IHAV is actually the D-IBAV
German planes at the Europa Rundflug 1934 :
Bf 108 : D-IZAN D-IMUT D-IGAK D-IJES
Fi 97 : D-IVIF D-IBYR D-IPUS D-IZUH D-IDAH
Kl 36 : D-IJIP D-IHEK D-IDIR D-IBAV

Motors were 5 x AS 17 and 8 x HM 8U

Source :The excellent : Bruno Lange
"Das Buch der deutschenLuftfahrttechnik" Verlag Dieter Hoffmann 1970

Re: Klemm Kl 36 A
 

- Stephen , I have got the pic of the D-IBAV in "Kurzstarter und senkrechtstarter " by Otto E Pabst in Bernard&Graefe Verlag,1984 .(Its competition number was 26)
-A little more mystery for Peter : In the book I have found D-IHEK,but looking at this pic I read HEX .The same Kl 36 or another ?

Re: Klemm Kl 36 A
 

Thank you very much for the help Richard. Those pictures are wonderful. Here's a look at D-IJIP . . .

http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.p...iwb11z&thumb=4

Its competition number appears to be 23.

Best regards,
Steve

Re: Klemm Kl 36 A
 

We had D-IJIP ,D-IHEX (K?) ,D-IBAV ,now the last ,D-IDIR .

Re: Klemm Kl 36 A
 

Sorry ,I have to quote the source :The same Otto Pabst book .
23 :D-IJIP As17
24 :D-IHEK(X?) HM8U
25 :D-IDIR As17
26 :D-IBAV HM8U

Re: Klemm Kl 36 A
 

That's super information! The picture of D-IDIR clearly shows the HP slats along the leading edge of the wing.

The main ID plate for Kl 36 A WN. 659 (D-IBAV) lists the motor type as "HM8A".

Re: Klemm Kl 36 A
 

Bruno Lange says, the HM8U was the HM 15O U built ONLY for the 1934 Europa Rundflug .(240hp by 3000 /min)
I think without any proof that after the competition your Kl 36 got a HM8A
(210hp by 2900/min) ,not so " hot " as the HM8U .
Your Kl36 A was piloted by the famous Morzik .He had to give up in Italy between Tunis and Rom on the 12th september 1934

Now about those Kl 36 :
- Kl36A As17 A for the Europa Rundflug ;one lost during the trials .
- Kl36A HM8U most for the Rundflug .three blade propeller .One of them with enlarged wings .
- Kl36B HM 508F simplified version with modified wings and undercarriage.
- Kl 36 B Siemens Sh 14 A4 radial " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " ". "
- Kl 36 B V7 Argus As 10 C D-IUHU The only Klemm with retractable landing gear (when we forget the Kl 104)

Re: Klemm Kl 36 A
 

Hi Richardb

The D-IHEX as it looks on the picture is indeed D-IHEK

It looks at a first a X because of the curves of the wing.
But a closer look you see the difference in the legs of the K
one short and a long one wich a X does not have.

Regards

Peter van Gogh

p.s could you give me your Email adress to pvangogh123@hetnet.nl

Re: Klemm Kl 36 A
 

Peter and Richard,

Thank you again for your help in establishing the history of the Kl 36A 1934 competition airplanes, in particular D-IBAV. May I ask that if any more information or pictures turn up, please contact me at: sfp54@aol.com.

Best regards,
Steve

Re: Klemm Kl 36 A
 

Hi Guys;

A small nitpikking here: All of you write Kl when correct spelling is KL (the capital letter L shows well on plate ) .... :-)

cheers
ed

Re: Klemm Kl 36 A
 

While discussing the KL 36, how many were actually built?

KL 36A W.Nr. 656, D-IJIP
KL 36A W.Nr. 657, D-IHEK
KL 36A W.Nr. 658, D-IDIR
KL 36A W.Nr. 659, D-IHAV
KL 36 W.Nr. 1014, D-IOPA
KL 36A W.Nr. 1019, D-IFSU
KL 36 W.Nr. ?, D-IDTA

From Luftwaffe Experten website
KL 36A W.Nr. ?, D-IBAV
KL 36B W.Nr. ?, D-IBFE
KL 36 W.Nr. ?, D-IDMC
KL 36 W.Nr. ?, D-IKYM
KL 36 W.Nr. ?, D-IOHU
KL 36B V5 W.Nr. ?, D-IOPA
KL 36B W.Nr. ?, D-ITOH
KL 36B V7 W.Nr. ?, D-IUHU
KL 36B W.Nr. ?, D-IYLA
KL 36 V W.Nr. ?, D-EZOX

Re: Klemm Kl 36 A
 

In Lange book ,D-IDTA is refered as B ,and D-IKYM as A

Re: Klemm Kl 36 A
 

I have a picture of D-IFSU ,it's a B (Radial motor)