He111 1H+DN of 5/KG26 lost 16 May 1940
 

Hi guys

I would appreciate some help from our Norwegian or other knowledgeable friends regarding the above, please.

Apparently it was shot down by a Skua and belly-landed on a frozen lake at Sitajaure in Sweden. Is this correct? The crew were reported seen swimming and I have a note that all five survived. Is this correct? Who were they and were they interned?

Fingers crossed.
Cheers
Brian

Re: He111 1H+DN of 5/KG26 lost 16 May 1940
 

Hi Brian,

take a look here:

http://ktsorens.tihlde.org/flyvrak/sitas.html

Regards

Robert

Re: He111 1H+DN of 5/KG26 lost 16 May 1940
 

Thanks Robert

The website I consulted is apparently at fault with the date regarding 1H+DN, so was another II/KG26 aircraft belly-landed in Sweden on 16 May?

Also on 16 May, 6/KG30 lost two Ju88s to Skuas - do we know the identities and fates of the crews?

Cheers
Brian

Re: He111 1H+DN of 5/KG26 lost 16 May 1940
 

Hi Brian
I think one of the Ju 88's ditched west of Narvik:
http://ktsorens.tihlde.org/flyvrak/forra.html

regards Kjell

Re: He111 1H+DN of 5/KG26 lost 16 May 1940
 

The website has the date wrong! He 111H Wnr. (2501?) 1H+DN did bellyland in Sweden 16. may 1940!

Junker

Re: He111 1H+DN of 5/KG26 lost 16 May 1940
 

Hi Junker

Ah! That's confusing! Have you more information please?

Cheers
Brian

Re: He111 1H+DN of 5/KG26 lost 16 May 1940
 

Just sources:
Book. Nödlandning Sverige, and GQM Verluste von Opeartiven Verbände! Both agree to 16!

Junker

Re: He111 1H+DN of 5/KG26 lost 16 May 1940
 

Brian,

The crews of the two Ju88s of 6./KG30 lost over Narvik on May 16, 1940, were as follows:

(Ff) Hptmn Gunter NOLL (Stakap) British PoW - sent to Canada.
(Beo) Fw Hubert TRIMBORN British PoW - sent to Canada.
(Bf) Fw Willi SCHELL PoW - returned to unit August 19, 1940.
(Bs) Fw Ernst KUBLER (1 Wart) killed - buried Narvik.

(Ff) Lt Heinrich DIERMEYER British PoW.
(Beo) Gefr Georg SCHUTZ returned to unit June 13, 1940.
(Bf) Uffz Anton SCHLOSSER returned to unit June 13, 1940.
(Bs) Gefr Heinrich KOCH (1 Wart) returned to unit June 13, 1940.

I have no details on the He111 of 5./KG26 lost that day. Sorry.

Re: He111 1H+DN of 5/KG26 lost 16 May 1940
 

Hi Brian, Flyvrak, ju55dk and Peter,

I know the Ju88´s are not the main issue of this thread but re-reading the Flyvrak page (and other posts abowe) and comparing to Shores & co-authors descripion of events 16.05.40 (says that one was force landed on mountainside <on land> and one into the sea at Narvik), makes me wonder if there was perhaps an third Ju88 down into the sea near Narvik (15.05.40) and that losing two of its crew - and the Flyvrak description of events at Vassvikna perhaps fitting that one!

(Paragraph delated as that refers to I/KG 30 on Western-Front, not Norway and Z/KG 30)

In my notes I have possibly Ju 88 C 0154 4D+RH as lost on that date ´at Narvik´.

cheers
ed

Re: He111 1H+DN of 5/KG26 lost 16 May 1940
 

Thanks Peter and Ed

Ed - I have note that a Skua claimed a He111 possibly shot down over Narvik on 15 May, and a Ju88 claimed shot down over Narvik on 16 May (both by the same pilot and noted in his logbook). I wonder if (a) the entry is wrong and the Z/KG30 Ju88 was actually lost on 16th, or (b) if the He111 possible on the 15th was actually the Ju88! Of course, neither has to be the case!

Peter - do you have a Z/KG30 Ju88 loss to match Ed's suggestion?

Cheers
Brian

Re: He111 1H+DN of 5/KG26 lost 16 May 1940
 

The 2.KG30 JU88 "Z" has been lost in 10.mai "letze meldung" PQ 12 od 2 OST 28

On 16.mai III.KG26 1 wounded due to Flak, on 15.mai 6.KG26 He111
4 missed Mot.trouble bei Alsden

Remi

Re: He111 1H+DN of 5/KG26 lost 16 May 1940
 

Yes, 12öst28 is likely the one at Nomsfjellet (0133 4D+FH) 10.05.40 but the other two of 6./KG 30 I have: 1 missing, 2 killed (1 officer) at ´Narvik´ but the other has has just 1 killed (officer) ´Norwegen kúste´ - thus Peter Cromwells crew listings (before) do not match.... ???

cheers
ed

Re: He111 1H+DN of 5/KG26 lost 16 May 1940
 

RT/Ed

I am becoming confused (easily happens to me!).

Aren't we talking about two different Ju88Cs of Z/KG30 here? I have 4D+FH shot down on 10 May (Weimann and two POWs); and 4D+RH shot down on 15 or 16 May (two killed).

Help.......................!

Cheers
Brian

Re: He111 1H+DN of 5/KG26 lost 16 May 1940
 

Brian,

No, I have no knowledge of a Z/KG30 Ju88 lost over Narvik on May 15, 1940. A Ju88A-2 of 2./KG30 was reported lost on that date but they were operating on the western front and that loss took place over Vlissingen & involved the loss of all four crew.

The crew details of the two 6./KG30 losses near Narvik on May 16, 1940, remain as shown in my earlier post.

Re: He111 1H+DN of 5/KG26 lost 16 May 1940
 

Brian: I must confess perhaps I too have lost the argument!

I know of the Ju 88 Z on 10.05.40 but I have
amended part of post #8 of this thread (as paragraph proven not relevant) but the note on 15.05.40 of Z/KG 30 asking of POSSIBLE LOSS THAT DATE is still relavant as this might affect loss of 1H+DN (Skua perhaps attacking that He 111 on that date over Narvik - (Brian you have any time qouted for that engagement) - if late at night - the He 111 perhaps coming down after midnight in Sweden - thus dates 15. and 16.05.40 relating to same aircraft?

Peter: There were no A-2´s (´Núr Project´ - Only Project as stated in one JFM document) - most likely referring to the Ju 88 ´Rústgrad IIa´ which were still A-1´s.

Re: He111 1H+DN of 5/KG26 lost 16 May 1940
 

Ed,

Thanks for that, sub-types not my strongest suit. You are correct, the documents clearly state Ju88 IIA. My error.

Re: He111 1H+DN of 5/KG26 lost 16 May 1940
 

Maybe interesting to learn what this Rüstung II a was....

remi

Re: He111 1H+DN of 5/KG26 lost 16 May 1940
 

Remi: Look at Lieferplan 15 (01.09.39) Page 8. There are notes at bottom on what factory made what Rústgrad. f.e. JFM only built Rústgrad 2+2a for their production run to August 1940 (A-1´s), Henschel 1+2+2a but from 24th example changed to Rú 2+2a+3a etc. Then there was also Rústgrad F (Rú F) built only by JFM. Exact meaning has likely to do with Armament / Equipment etc. but at the moment I do not have handy a exact list of all. If you do not have it I can mail it. Cheers