Bf110C shot down 18th August 1940
 

I need some advice. I`m looking for any informations about a crew of Messerschmitt Bf110C : Obl. Hellmuth and Fw. Winter, shot down over Kent 18th August 1940. Is there any detailed German report of this loss?
Also do anyone know what`s happened to the bodies (remains) of the crew. Can somebody confirm that those people definitely went onto this flight.
Regards

Re: Bf110C shot down 18th August 1940
 

Hello Peter.

18.8.40
(P) Oblt. Heinz Hellmuth & (Bf) Fw. Franz Winter.
6./ZG 26.
Bf 110 C. 100% damaged.
Shot down by Hurricanes of 56 Sqn. Final attack by P/O Mounsdon.

Aircraft fell away after attack on one wing and dived vertically into a copse at Helstone Hole near Lenham where it blew up!

Above from 'Zerstorer' by John Vasco & Peter Cornwell. I'm afraid I don't have burial details though. Hope this helps.

Steve.

Re: Bf110C shot down 18th August 1940
 

Hello Peter,

Further to Steve's response, the remains of this crew were recovered and their IDs recorded as 53585/175 and 53585/169. This was the only evidence of identification found at the time so the British authorities were unable to immediately establish their correct identities. They were therefore buried as 'Unknown German Airmen', A.I.1.(k) reporting their 'burial believed by RAF Station, Detling'.

Luftwaffe records confirm that the IDs found were those of Oberlt Heinz HELLMUTH & Fw Franz WINTER of 6./ZG26 as stated by Steve so there is no doubt of their true identities. I also have an unconfirmed note that they may have originally been buried at St Nicholas' Church in Boughton Malherbe & repatriated to Germany post-war but this is currently unconfirmed.

Re: Bf110C shot down 18th August 1940
 

Many thanks Steve and Peter.
Do you know more about this plane, any datails?
I`m looking for further informations, because almost 30 years ago local farmer said: three heads, but third one with long hair...one hand with woman`s finger nails. What do you think?

Re: Bf110C shot down 18th August 1940
 

Peter,

I think that story qualifies as 'urban myth'. It's nonsense.

Re: Bf110C shot down 18th August 1940
 

...or just looks like...

Re: Bf110C shot down 18th August 1940
 

Messerschmitt Bf110C (2808); 3U+?
...all I knkow...

Re: Bf110C shot down 18th August 1940
 

Same urban myth applied to a Bf 110 shot down near Winchester on 15 Aug 40-very tall, blond/blonde, long hair and nails. I am afraid that Luftwaffe records were not that precise in any case

Re: Bf110C shot down 18th August 1940
 

Thanks Chris
Even if that’s just a myth, something is telling me: be careful with the myths.
Of course, I do not expect any official record of that. As far as I know, there was no German woman flying as a combat pilot (apart of ferry pilots) but... press correspondent for example, unlucky that day of course...
Please see my other query about German plane shut down over Italy. Something in common, I think...
Regards

Re: Bf110C shot down 18th August 1940
 

Women were quite commonly 'seen' in air crashes. Several were 'killed' during Warsaw Airlift. ;)

Re: Bf110C shot down 18th August 1940
 

It is fascinating how common these "urban myths" relating to German losses over the UK actually are - and how geographically widespread they are but with a common thread. I have almost lost count of the "three crew in a Me 110 and one of them was a woman" story! Another popular tale is that the pilot knew the area where he landed very well because, pre war, he a) went to school nearby or b) was a waiter at a local hotel! This tale is often accompanied with a story about how he asked after the daughter of the local pub landlord - or similar - upon capture. Most, when captured, allegedly spat on the ground, gave a Nazi salute and said "England finished!" but sometimes conceded "Spitfires too good!". The most bizarre story that has cropped up, several times, is that the airmen wore nail varnish and carried womens toiletries. Makes you wonder what these L/W types got up to in their free time!!! If I had a fiver for each time I had a variation of those stories I wouldn't need beer money for years. Curious, though, how these urban myths about L/W losses over the UK proliferate. Whilst they have no basis in fact and are, often, faintly amusing it has always fascinated me that tales like this range from Kent to Cornwall and from the Isle of Wight to Scotland.