Bf 110 WNr. 720082
 

Hello all,

Does anyone know where Bf 110 G WNr. 720082, coded << 2Z+MF, was photographed post-war?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Sheflin

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Hello all,

I though I would bring this plea for help back one more time and offer a little more data.

Hopefully, the fact that Bf 110 G-4, WNr. 720082 has 43 kill markings on its starboard fin may evoke interest in some of you night fighter folks. Most appear to be roundels and may be British? Its Werknummer is located on the upper part of its starboard rudder. Sadly, there are no other identifiable aircraft, buildings, or other items in the background that might help locate it.

Any ideas out there?

Steve Sheflin

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Obviously from the Stab of IV./NJG 6. Could be be Fellerer who I have 'officially' listed with 41. After that you have Bahr at 37 or Luetje at 50.

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Hi Steve,

the 2Z + MF it is only known to me as a Ju 88 G-6 which flew often by Hptm. Martin Becker IV./N.J.G. 6.

Kaczmarek

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Hi Steve,

This aircraft, <<2Z+MF, was certainly Martin Bekker's aircraft. The tail photo is clear enough to read the dates under each victory bar and symbol and match exactly with Tino's claims. You might check out the article that myself, Dave Johnston and Jim Crow did in an issue of the Luftwaffe Verband where we go into considerable detail on the topic.

Regarding location, something tells me that it was found at Neubiberg, perhaps a pilot's recollection of something similar I recorded in my notes.

Cheers,

David

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Time to revive an old topic again: I recently came across the attached photo of <<2Z+MF and would like to ask if anything new is known about the location of this plane yet.

Also, can someone please re-post the photo of it where the Werknummer is readable or the article David had mentioned? It's an interesting aircraft indeed...

Regards,
Christian

(photo source: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.210917238971392.52757.210904222306027&type= 3)

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Hi, would anybody happen to know the colour of the M in the code.
Would it be blue for the IV/Gruppe?

Steve.

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Green

Regards,
Norbert

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Many thanks Norbert.

Kindest regs,
Steve.

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I am currently researcing this aircraft having recently purchased some Bf 110 photos. Three images look very similar to this aircraft, though I have not concluded with complete certainty yet that they are of Beckers Bf. The location, yet to be confirmed, has been indicated as Ingolstadt.

Mark Proulx

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Hi all,
I am currently speculating that <<2Z+MF was photographed at Schleissheim and is plane #14 in post #15 here: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...t=schleissheim

Can anyone with access to additional photos exclude or confirm this possibility?

Regards,
Christian

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In the photos I have, if it is Beckers aircraft, there are trees very close by, especially to the rear and left of the aircraft. Immediately to the right is a Ju 88 G (I can't provide codes as I am away at work and going by memory). The photos are said to be taken at Ingolstadt, though I can't confirm.

So, lots of assumptions here, but if my photos are indeed of Beckers aircraft, they do not match the linked photos here. Of course the time my photos were taken could be quite different too.

So, the search continues...

Mark Proulx

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If it helps, the Ju 88 G photographed to the right of the aircraft in my photos coded ##+HM. The H is lite in color, possibly white.

Mark Proulx

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Hmm, this is very likely the same plane which is depicted on page 176 in David Williams "Nachtjäger Vol.2" (Classic). The caption gives its Werknummer as 620751 and the full code as 2Z+HM. Location is said to be Aschaffenburg (actually Großostheim I guess).

Page 183 in the same volume has another Aschaffenburg/Großostheim plane: Bf 110 G-4 2Z+AA, mount of NJG 6 Kommodore Herbert Lütje. Perhaps 2Z+MF was photographed there too, but the surrounding "feels" different, I can't help it. No trees, very high grass...

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After careful analysis of the photos Christian identified in the source above, the photos I have are of Lutje's Bf 110 2Z+-AA, not Beckers 2Z+MF. I have enough of a walkaround here to know that the profile on page 183 is incorrect.

Thanks for all the pointers...

Mark Proulx

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And thank you Mark for the info!

Regards,
Christian

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BTW, are there any known photos of the rudder markings applied to his aircraft? Classic Vol 2 states the markings on his aircraft as graffiti applied by US troops but the photo of such poor detail it is hard to tell.

Mark Proulx