Norwegian Pilots in Luftwaffe
 

Hi Guys !
I just found a News paper article from August 1943 .
The article is about 8 Norwegian Pilots in LW , thay was in the same unit / group and placed at the Canal Coast .
I dont know anything more about this group except the name of one of the Pilots .
Arne Halvorsen .

Does any of You have any info about Norwegian pilots in Luftwaffe ?
What unit they was in , the name of the other 7 pilots , what kind of plane they flying .

I post the article , but text is in Norwegian .

This is my first post in this Forum , so I hope that You accept that my English in not the best .

Jan Arne

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Jan Arne,
I am not an expert on Norwegian Luftwaffe pilots, but I would consult the book: Neulen, Hans Werner, In the skies of Europe : Air forces allied to the Luftwaffe 1939-1945 (2000).

Regards
Mikkel Plannthin

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there is a web site with info on most of the Norwegian pilots, for both sides

from what I remember, they were not all in at the same time, same unit, so that may be a training center type deal

(I lost my HD and most of my sites, so I can't tell you where it is at)
(if someone else knows, I wouldn't mind finding it again :)

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They were not pilots! Flieger is the same as a private, the lowest rank in Luftwaffe! They were probably attached to a FLAK-unit! As far as i know there were no Norwegian pilots in the Luftwaffe. A very few became crewmembers on bombers!

Junker

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Hi Guys!
Thanks for Your input and reply .
But I`m not sure that is correct that no Norwegian where Pilots in Luftwaffe .
Here is one , Hans Bjørn Hæreid .

Jan Arne

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Interesting topic.

That latter guy definitely seems to be a pilot, but I agree with Junker that the others in all likelihood were attached to a Flak unit or some other ground-based unit. Even so, the first article begins with "From somewhere on the Channel front, we eight Norwegian pilots, ...". This may be caused by the editor doing a direct translation of the rank "Flieger"?

It is almost fun to read these old newspapers as they so clearly belong to a different time. Both, especially the first article, are filled with propaganda and expressions we wouldn't use today (there's reference to the "English sickness", "jewish capitalism" and "the infernal bolshevism")! Interestingly, the first article refers to the parents not understanding what their youngs boys are up to!

Kjetil Aakra

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Thanks for this newspaperclip. I have never heard of this guy! Is it possible to get a scan of the whole article? And what is the date/year? I'm able to read it as I am from Denmark!

Junker

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Hi Guys !
Thanks !
The article is from 11.des. 1944 .
I have about 1400 period Norwegian News Papers .
I will scan the rest of the article the coming weekend .

And here is Pilot no. 2 .
No photo of this guy , his name is Rudolf Bratteng from Bergen .
He had served 2. mounths in Tunisia and later in the fights over Sicily. Article is from 2. mars 1944 . Sems like he could be a 2.Pilot or Co. Pilot .

Jan Arne

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Thank's this is highly interesting. Untill now I only knew of Harald Hougen who was Bordschütze in KG 30 and Alf Lie who did some flighttraining with FFS A 43 but ended up with the Fallschirmjäger. Both were sentenched to 3 years in prison after the war!

Junker

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Hi Juncker !
Her is an article about Alf Halvdan Lie from Mysen .

Jan Arne

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PS ! Dont know if it allowed to post pics of WSS personel ? If it`s not let me know and I will remove the pics . Photo of Alf Halvdan Lie .

Jan Arne

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And here is article writen of Odd Ellingsen about his fallen friend in KM .
And it is signed Odd Ellingsen , Obergefreiten and "TrainingPilot"
Dont know if he ever get to be a Pilot , but at lest he was training to be one .

Jan Arne

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Hello all,

Here's some information on Norwegians in the Luftwaffe:

'Norwegians in the service of the German Luftwaffe were much the same as those in the Kriegsmarine. No national unit was ever formed, and an accurate total is, once again, not known. There were likely between 1-3,000 such volunteers. Much like the Norwegian NS party Hirdmarinen and Unghirdmarinen, there also existed an air-related youth branch, the equal of the German Flieger-Hitlerjugend, called the Hirdens Flykorpset. It too provided young recruits to the German Luftwaffe, the first batch being transfered in 1943.'
Source: Norwegian Volunteers in the German Wehrmacht in WWII

The Hirdens Flykorpset

This organization was the Hird Air Section of the National Union. This group was organized in 1942, and it served mainly as a training ground for entrance into the German Luftwaffe, much like the NSFK in Germany itself. (The NSFK served to train Germans prior to entrance into the actual Luftwaffe, and the Hitlerjugend had its own form of NSFK designed to specifically train HJ members prior to entrance into the Luftwaffe). The first group of trained members from the Hirdens Flykorpset was sent to the Luftwaffe in February, 1943. Members of this organization were trained in principals of gliding and powered flight.

Source: Norwegian Collaborationish Forces During WWII

See also: Norwegian Legion Military and Feldpost History

And maybe this site will contain some relevant information: Nordic Aviation during WW2

Regards,

Bart

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Bard,
Thanks for the info, but again no definitive answers and very unclear information on the sources of the texts. From the text I gather, that "the Hirden Flykorpset" is a civil, though nazi unt, and not Luftwaffe. Is this true?

And even in the information is true, there is no definitive information on pilots.

I do not think, www.rafandluftwaffe.info holds ruther information, but Knut Larsson may no more than the info registrered on the site.

Mikkel

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Hello Mikkel,

From what I figured out of these texts, the Hirden Flykorpset was a para-military organization. Not Luftwaffe, indeed.

I don't know if these texts are reliable information. Don't know the sources.

As for information regarding Norwegian Luftwaffe pilots: I remember having visited a site with information concerning these pilots, but can't remember how I ended up there - must have been when I was looking for information regarding one of the many RAF Squadrons I'm researching.

Maybe the maker(s) of this site knows more: Luftfarts Historisk Forening Tromso (Aerial History Union Tromso?)
Or Olve Dybvig from Luftwaffe in Norway.

Regards and congratulations with your 'senior member'ship,

Bart

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The Hirdens Flykorps (Hirdens Air Corps) was a para-military organisation under control of the Norwegian nazi party, Nasjonal Samling (National Union) and subordinated to the Rikshirdstaben (the National Hird staff).
It started out as the Hirdens flyveavdeling (Hirdens aviation department) on 15 August 1941 under the command of Reidar Aagaard from Oslo. As no motorized aviation was allowed by the Germans, only gliders were used. They had to be made airborne by the use of wires attaced to trucks or winches. Hirdens Flykorps was formed on 1. March 1942 as a direct continuation of the aviation department. The new Air Corps was organized into 14 flights, covering the entire country. However, only a few were active and some only had a handful of members. Some members received education/training in Germany. These were: 3 members joined the Reichsmodell-flugschule at Lauenburg-Elbe from 21.7. to 9.8.1942, four members to the Reichssegelflugschule Hornberg from 2.8. to 30.9.1942 and finally five members joined the Reichsschule für Fliegertechnische Ausbildung in Dinkelsbuehl about the same time. Later the same autumn five members completed training at the center for Korpsführung in Berlin.
At its peak on 20 August 1944, the Hirdens Flykorps had a total of 416 members. Following a visit to Germany in January 1944 by leading members of the air corps, they succeeded in obtaining several new gliders. One Grunau Baby IIb, one DFS Meise (Olympia) and five SG.38). Only the DFS Meise (Olympia) reached Norway in August 1944 and was registered LN-SCA (W.Nr. 527 and ex.St.kz. LZ+ET). There were no organized recruiting to Luftwaffe from the air corps.

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Hi Guys !
Interesting info .
I think to little research has been done about Norwegian in Luftwaffe .

Jan Arne

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Hi Guys !
Here is the rest of the article about Hans Bjørn Hæreid .

Jan Arne