Need Unit ID of Ju86 with Pre-War Code 32+L410
 

Hello,

I'm trying to caption a photo for my DB of a pre-war Ju86 with the codes 32+L410. The lists in my references don't include this. A code of 32+X39 would be 9./KG253 (later 9./KG4), but doesn't show L410 as a possible number. If KG243 had a IV Gruppe, this would be 11 Staffel, but i don't see any reference to that. Is this possibly some kind of Stab code for KG253?

Thanks for any help on this.

Re: Need Unit ID of Ju86 with Pre-War Code 32+L410
 

This particular photo is/was on sale on eBay.

Re: Need Unit ID of Ju86 with Pre-War Code 32+L410
 

It beats me too! Just when you think you've cracked this coding system, along comes a code like this which defies the logic. We have a thread on the pre-war Luftkreiskommando coding system on the LEMB via the link below:

http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/fo...showtopic=5000

Any chance of the image being posted here please?

Cheers

Peter D Evans
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Re: Need Unit ID of Ju86 with Pre-War Code 32+L410
 

L410 = "L" of IV Gruppen, 10 Staffeln

cheers
ed

Re: Need Unit ID of Ju86 with Pre-War Code 32+L410
 

Cheers for that Ed :)

One additional question, is that then IV Gruppe/Kampfgeschwader 153?

Cheers

Peter D Evans
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Re: Need Unit ID of Ju86 with Pre-War Code 32+L410
 

Peter,

Take a look at :

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I still need to know what unit this became during the change over in unit designations during the spring of 1939.

Thanx for the comments so far.

Re: Need Unit ID of Ju86 with Pre-War Code 32+L410
 

Thanks for the link Larry... with regards this coding system, every time I think I've cracked it, along comes a code like this...:confused:

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Peter D Evans
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Re: Need Unit ID of Ju86 with Pre-War Code 32+L410
 

I have long been intrigued by the prewar period and have given it quite a bit of study. I can semi-definitively state that the code in question is that of 10./KG 153 which used Ju 86s from August 1937 until it was renamed II./KG 252 on November 1, 1938.

If you will pardon the plug, all this is in our book "Bomber Units of the Luftwaffe, A Reference Source".

Re: Need Unit ID of Ju86 with Pre-War Code 32+L410
 

I'll second that plug Doug :) Congrats on two very nice volumes...

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Peter D Evans
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Re: Need Unit ID of Ju86 with Pre-War Code 32+L410
 

So you think that was a tough code, try this (from a recent Ed West photo)

25+D37 on a Ju86

or how about:
2L+D21 on a Do 17E

or how about:
2L+W40 on a Ju 52

or:
"dot" 04+01 on a Ju 52.

Once you've despaired, I will tell you what these are!
Here's a couple I can't solve:

03+F30 on a He 51.
07+A16 on a Ju 52

Enjoy!

Re: Need Unit ID of Ju86 with Pre-War Code 32+L410
 

I'll have a go Doug...

25+D37 - III.(Kampf) Lehrgeschwader 152 (formed from III./KG 152)

And as I understand it codes beginning 0?+??? were used by types attached directly to the Oberkommando der Luftwaffe.

...and about that's it... :)

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Peter D Evans
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Re: Need Unit ID of Ju86 with Pre-War Code 32+L410
 

Hi, folks...

Ah, the contradictory nature of Luftwaffe codes... don't we just love 'em... ! Glad Doug put up one for consideration which is similar to one I saw a while back...

Ju52 - 'dot' 04+20, with the '20' repeated on the side of the central engine cover ring in white, with a short white vertical bar above and below it. Judging by the apparent haste with which the attendant troops were embarking (or disembarking) their bicylces, and the Ju52's engines still running, might it have been a 'manoeuvres' code, possibly...?

Regards...

Re: Need Unit ID of Ju86 with Pre-War Code 32+L410
 

Come'on Doug... the suspense is killing me... :)

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Peter D Evans
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Re: Need Unit ID of Ju86 with Pre-War Code 32+L410
 

OK, here goes......

25+D37 on a Ju86 - belongs to 7./KG 152. The code is also associated with II.(K)/LG.

or how about:
2L+D21 on a Do 17E - belongs to II./LG 1. See Taghon to confirm this code.

or how about:
2L+W40 on a Ju 52 - this is a Stab IV./LG 1.

or:
"dot" 04+01 on a Ju 52. - This is aircraft "01" of K.Gr.z.b.V. 4 (first formation) from the Sudeten crisis of 1938. Also seen:"dot" 08+14 on a Ju 52 which of course is aircraft 14 of K.Gr.z.b.V. 8 (first formation).


Regarding:
03+F30 on a He 51.
07+A16 on a Ju 52
Well, I still haven't solved these. Typically, the first digit is the Luftkreis number, in the case 0= East Prussia. So the He 51 might be from Stab III./J.G. 130 in the 1935 period, similar to 21+E21 for J.G. 132.

One that has driven me crazy for 35 years is the well seen:
27+E11 on a Ju 52 bomber - Some books claim it is KG 152, but I think this is unlikely. (It used a 25 code). Possibly K.Gr. z.b.V. 172.


I have more odd-ball prewar codes to vex you if you like.

Re: Need Unit ID of Ju86 with Pre-War Code 32+L410
 

OK, here goes......

25+D37 on a Ju86 - belongs to 7./KG 152. The code is also associated with II.(K)/LG.

or how about:
2L+D21 on a Do 17E - belongs to II./LG 1. See Taghon to confirm this code.

or how about:
2L+W40 on a Ju 52 - this is a Stab IV./LG 1.

or:
"dot" 04+01 on a Ju 52. - This is aircraft "01" of K.Gr.z.b.V. 4 (first formation) from the Sudeten crisis of 1938. Also seen:"dot" 08+14 on a Ju 52 which of course is aircraft 14 of K.Gr.z.b.V. 8 (first formation).


Regarding:
03+F30 on a He 51.
07+A16 on a Ju 52
Well, I still haven't solved these. Typically, the first digit is the Luftkreis number, in the case 0= East Prussia. So the He 51 might be from Stab III./J.G. 130 in the 1935 period, similar to 21+E21 for J.G. 132.

One that has driven me crazy for 35 years is the well seen:
27+E11 on a Ju 52 bomber - Some books claim it is KG 152, but I think this is unlikely. (It used a 25 code). Possibly K.Gr. z.b.V. 172.


I have more odd-ball prewar codes to vex you if you like.

Re: Need Unit ID of Ju86 with Pre-War Code 32+L410
 

Thanks for the answers Doug... I'll add these examples to a thread on over on the LEMB...

Let me digest the last selections before you bamboozle me with any more :)

Cheers

Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator