Innsbruck Hötting Airfield Aerial View
 

Hello,

I am looking for a wartime aerial photo of Innsbruck Hötting airfield. Does anybody have such a photo or does know which archive might have one?

Kind regards
Roger Gaemperle

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I've never seen one Roger, but I would be quite excited to see one.

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There definitely was a photo since I have a description of the Innsbruck airfields in a report from Kew (reference not to hand) and that refers to photos. Innsbruck (i.e. Innsbruck-Ost) was photographed on 31 January 1944, -West on 3 October 1943. Maybe Keele University has them?

The description of -West says (dated 12 April 1944) there were no organised dispersal facilities and that accommodation was "2 small huts on the N. boundary."

CO-ORDINATES: 47º 15' 35" N, 11º 21' 00" E.

Location: 2½ miles W. INNSBRÜCK [sic], immediately S. of the INNSBRÜCK/TELFS road. The River INN, flowing ½ mile S. of the Landing Ground, should afford good landmark.

Dimensions: Levelling work has progressed since 3.10.43, the approx. dimensions being 1,000 yds. E/W, 300 yds. N/S.

Surface: Appears rough and unserviceable.

… An overhead H/T line [visible in the photos of those boring old Me 262s] skirts the S. boundary and passes the SW. corner allowing a clear E/W. run only on the N. side of the L/G.

West is now the site of the international airport.

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TY Neal, great info. I know that the two small huts were actually hangers for civilian aircraft. The 262's were scattered through the area, and I'd love to eventually map their locations.
I vaguely recall seeing a website once on the history of the small airport there.

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Hi Dan and Nick,

Interesting! Thanks a lot for that information.

I have attached a google-map photo with some rough indications where some Me 262 were. I haven't studied this in detail, so Dan, you probably have a much more accurate idea where these Me 262 were.

Regards
Roger

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PS: I count 11 different Me 262. The photos of the group at the SW of the airfield was probably taken later as some of these Me 262 were photographed at a different location (e.g. 111712, White 12, etc.).

Roger

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1. Who's Neal?

2. I did once start a rough sketch the locations of the Ju 87s and Fw 190s (from NSG 9, a unit that actually contributed something to the German war effort!). Step 1, buy a large scale map of the Innsbruck area - mine was aimed at hikers. The river bend is a fixed point of reference; the Innsbruck-Telfs road seems to follow its old line and can be seen on some of the old photos; there is a church on a hill top in the background (across the river) which gives another reference point. Better yet, the power line is still marked on the map, although surely it can't still be overhead, can it?

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There will be images of this airfield preserved in the US National Archives, and probably in the former Royal Air Force Overseas Print Library (once at Keele, but now under -one hopes- effective management at RCAHMS in Scotland. There will also probably be something in the L section reports in AIR34, or AIR 29. Prints may well be attached to the relevant report.
I will be in the US National Archives next week and if I have a spare moment I will have a look.

The cover will have been in stereo.


best


ChrisG

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AIR23/8289: MASAF Intops Summaries March–April 1945 & 1st–4th May 1945

The daily reports often have a page or two summarising results of PR cover of enemy airfields.

According to this, there were 10 Me 262 at Innsbruck-West on 29 April 1945.

So ... another date, another photo to look for.

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[quote=Nick Beale;65602]1. Who's Neal?

quote]

Ooops! Sorry Nick, it was quite late, and perhaps a few too many "research enhancing" beers!

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[quote=Dan O'Connell;65647]For my research, I follow the One True Path — caffeine.

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[quote=Nick Beale;65651]That works :-)

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Roger, per your map, we have a number of clues. The large mountains behind 857, the small hill on the other side of the valley. Sun angle on the shadows of photos of 590 (?) help as well.

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Hi Dan, yes, you are right. The small hill with the building on top of it is a very good reference. There is also a church at the bottom of that hill that can be seen in some photos.

The location of 113371 are is still a mistery for me. 113371 was found in front of a big (half burnt) building


Nick, would it be possible to share the map and the locations of the Ju 87 and Fw 190s? It is very interesting that the power line is still marked on the map. That would help a lot.

Behind WkNr. 111712 (before it was apparently moved to the "Me 262 collection point" in the South West) I can see two Ju 87 (JV44, Forsyth, P.300). The power lines are visible in the background. 111712 is pointing towards East and is South of today's landing strip. Looking towards North there is a building just behind 111712.

Hi Chris, thanks a lot for the information about where one might be able to find aerial photos! That would be great if you could check if there is anything about Innsbruck when you are at the US National Archives!

Kind regards
Roger

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Hello!

For what it is worth. The expression "sun angle" reminded me of this nice site: "Sun or Moon Altitude/Azimuth Table" http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.php

If one knows the location (coordinates) and (even approximate) date one can use the site to tabulate sun angle and direction for one day (any day and year) in required intervals. If sun angle can be determinated from photo then one can deduct the time (remember GMT +/- x hr) and sun (shadow) direction, too. Accuracy depends of the angle determination error and time interval in the table (you can use even 1 minute intervals).

When sun/shadow direction is clear it does help in putting the photo setting on map too. I have used this site several times since an Estonian friend suggested it years ago.

Cheers,
Kari

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Here's a section of one of my maps (the original is 1:50 000). I also used a city street map (1: 8 000) as a reference.

Of course, when you all turn to your copies of Ghostbombers (2001), you'll find you already had information in the photo captions like:

"This is the southern part of Hötting airfield, in the bend of the River Inn which runs between the field and the first range of hills in the background."

"… the line of trees marks the road from Innsbruck to Telfs."

"The overhead power lines (still present on a 1989 map) show that these aircraft are dispersed away from the main landing field."

"In the background is an Me 262 A of JV 44 and beyond it, across the River Inn, the white tower of the Emmaus Church in the village of Völs and the conical peak of the Blasienberg."

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Hello Nick,

Thanks for the map. That's very helpful to know where the power line was.

With your information and by comparing various photos I have located the approximate location of most Me 262s at Hötting now. Hopefully, an aerial view of Hötting can be found at the given references. The location of the different buildings would help locating the jets even more accurately.

Hello Kari,

Interesting website! Thanks for the link!

Kind regards
Roger Gaemperle

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Gents,

Any progress on the photo and map search?

Cheers,

David

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LOL...is 9 years too late?

http://usaaf.forumactif.com/t2913-ve...bg-et-455th-bg

http://www.luftbilddatenbank-gmbh.at...dafe3c5ae643ca

and for those who are interested in the east airfield

http://www.munitionsbergung.at/uploa...f_u_tivoli.jpg

the two hangars are southeast of where the sill and and inn rivers meet. looks like a bomb landed directly between the two.