Fw 190 Foto Identification
 

Gentlemen,

I am looking forward for any information on this plane. The picture is suposed to be taken in summer 45 in Atzenhofen/Fürth, in close vicinity of Nürnberg. Werknummer is 682 985. Possibly a A-8 from JG 301? Will Atzenhofen be the correct location?
Any Suggestions?
TIA
Wolfgang

http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/39/20...6662333939.jpg

Wolfgang the Fw190 is an A-8, most likely a Fw190A-8/R2 stürmbock. The armour plating on the side of the cockpit is difficult to see. The fuel triangle for the 118litre fueltanks is in anusual place for this series and the swastika is usualy a black one with a white outline. The coloured bands around the tail look like red/yellow, making it white 21 of II./JG 301.

Are you sure abouth the last digit of the werknummer?

Hope this helps,
Dennis

Wolfgang,

The two digits of this aircraft’s code number “12” are exactly the same dimensions, size and shape as those seen on another aircraft from the 4. Staffel, the oft-photographed Fw 190 D-9 “White 12”, WNr.500408, also of the 4. Staffel. It was found at Bad Langensalza about 150 km north of Nürnberg. Both aircraft have the narrow red II. Gruppe bar common to this unit.

Regarding the location of "White 21". JG 301 was operating in northern Germany west of Berlin at the end of the war (4. Staffel at Stendal, then to Leck). However, it appears that the unit's aircraft were eventually scattered about central and southern Germany, most likely due to pilots escaping south and/or trying to fly home. Fw 190 As and Ds are often seen in photos taken by US troops in other locations such as Straubing, Munich and even as far east as Pilsen. Thus, the location of “White 21” is perfectly reasonable given the circumstances.

Cheers,

David

David 4./JG 301 had blue numbers and no D-9's. weiße 12 is from 5./JG 301

White 21 may have not been from II.gruppe anyway. the Panzerplatten has been pulled off the left fuselage and this may very well have been an unarmored R2 variant that III./JG 301 flew in the fall-winter of 44/45

let me know how your co-operative Nachtjäger book is coming friend

Erich

Thanks for the answers so far. I agree with the suspision that this plane might have been a Sturmbock, as the darker shades where the armor plate was mounted are visible.
What confuses me is the red group bar of II. Gruppe in combination with the white number. A red group bar would mean 5. or 6. Staffel (if the
I.Gruppe had 4 Staffeln)but a white number indicates 4. or 5. Staffel.

FW190A8 II./JG301
 

Hello

Yes reagrding thenmarkings , either the size and the font of the tactical number and the tail band with 2nd group bar , I can say it is a II./JG301 machine . I have other picture of White 12 FW190d-9 WNr 500408 , with exactelly the same markings

nice picture

Eric

other precisions
 

This machine could have been discovered at the end opf the war,

but could have landed ther a long time before

II./JG301 operated for example over southe germany and Czech repiblic on march 2nd 1945 .

Eric

Sister aircraft was with (Sturm)/JG 3
 

Hi.

The sister of this aircraft, WNr 682986 was with IV.(Sturm)/JG 3, supporting the above indications that this was a Sturmböck also. Notice that the unit reported this as an A-9!

http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=102997

Regards,
Andreas

with some skepticism I also reply that the IV./JG 301 Bf 109G-10's also had a red second gruppe bar over their bi-colour rumpfband.

although I have some feelings as to where those a/c orginally came from.

The IV./JG 3 A-9 is not so surprising as the unti flew A-8's and A-9/R2's on the Ost Front along with other A-9's..........good spot Andreas ! :D

Wolfgang, the Fw 190A- from JG 301 is from 5th staffel if it is from II. gruppe

Erich

Hi Erich,

Thanks for correcting my colour error - a silly mistake on my part.

I concur with Eric that this must have been a II. Gruppe kite, as it and the D-9 White 12 and A-8 Red 22 share the identical very narrow horizontal red bar marking. Photos of A-8/9s from I. Gruppe (e.g Blue 8, Yellow 17) of course don't have this. It is worth noting that based on extant photos aircraft from the I. Gruppe, all wear plain numbers while II. Gruppe aircraft's are outlined in white or black. Regarding III. Gruppe aircraft markings, I can't comment on these as, off the top of my head, I don't recall any photos of them. Any leads here?

Regarding my NJ research, it is not a book, more like a series of articles focusing on their late-war camouflage and markings accompanied by photos and colour profiles. I have a lot on my plate at the moment, so this study will take some time, though I am having fun with it. Thanks for the kind words Bubi!

Cheers,

David

David your remark about black or white outline on numerals of the II gruppe; do you mean A-8's and A-9's ? As I have not seen photos with this of Doras in 5-7th staffels. 5th staffel A-9's were solid white, no outline during September through December 44.

cheers

Erich ~

Erich,

Yes, I am referring to A-8/9s for II. Gruppe during the last months of the war.

David