9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Hello,

Im looking for the insignia of 9/KG53. I have managed to find the insignia for just about every other KG53 staffel, just not the one Im after, which is rather frustrating.

Many thanks for any help.

Regards,

S.

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Hello... :)

I haven't been able to find a unit emblem for this Staffel either, but there is a well-known photo in a book which I have, that shows an in-flight shot of an He111H from 9/KG53 during the Battle of Britain (A1+BT), and it clearly has no unit emblem at all.

I suspect some Staffeln simply used the Gruppe emblem, similar to the often-seen photo of A1+AH on the Russian Front, which carries the I.Gruppe emblem behind the cockpit glazing. Then again, hopefully someone else may prove me wrong.

Regards...

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Hi,

Thanks for that obdl3945, appreciated.

I got interested in A1+LT (5536), which came down 29/10/40 after a W/T failure.

Regards,

S.

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Hi, I found the emblem of the III./KG 53, see attachment.
Is it that what you are looking for?
Regards, Horst

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

I have a fair number of III/KG 53 photos and apart from what Horst has shown, have not come across any specific 9 Staffel badge

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Thanks for the continued help chaps.

Horst Kube, not what I was looking for at this time, but it is stored away. Im sure it'll be useful in the future, so thank you.

And thanks for the confirmation of no staffel emblem Mr Goss.


Appreciated all,

Regards,

S.

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Would you like to share with me the pictures of the II/KG53s staffels? im werry intressted :)

/Thomas

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Hello Horst

I have this as a later version of the above badge but,sadly, do not have it as a photo on an actual aircraft.

I do, however, have a photos of the earlier emblem, all from expired ex-eBay auctions.

Hope this helps!

Chris

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Aha... ! A 'Eureka' moment, I believe... :D

Hope this helps you, too, guys... as per one of Ed West's many previous offerings.

Regards...

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

I was hoping someone would pitch up with a photo of the later emblem!

Brilliant, thanks for sharing.

Chris

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Chris, just for the record, on your first attachment you state that this is an emblem for KG.53, my records show that this emblem is for 3./KG 27.

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Hi, Trevor...

Sorry, but I'm a little confused... I don't see anything in this thread relating to KG27. Am I missing something obvious...? Apologies in advance if I am... :o

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Thomas...

You asked for material re II.Gruppe/KG53... hope the attached are useful to you. Same source as before... Mr West, where would we be without him...?

Oh, sorry, just noticed one is from I.Gruppe... well, what's left of it... ;)

Best wishes...

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Thank you wery much! especially pic 2 was of great intresst!
but any pic on KG53 aircraifts are intressting :D

/Thomas

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Glad to be of assistance to you.

Any particular reason for being interested in KG53? And on a slightly scary note, if you don't mind me asking, why do you use the name 'Chainsaw'...? :shock: :eek:

Yours in trepidation... ! (LOL)

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Oh my name is from old times..

Okey I fly the Il2 game and I love bombing...
when I first started flying online for like... 4-5 years? I found a swedish squadron named F10 (flygflottilj 10) wich just happens to be the base wich I lived close to (now closed down) so I joined them.
so now I needed a callsign, something cool and at the moment there was a techno song called Chainsaw so I grabbed that name,
thats where F10_Chainsaw comes from :)

my intresst in KG53 is because me and a friend is starting a level bombing squadron for IL2/ storm of war (whenever that comes out) and we was browsing for units who used HE-111 only and was in both west front and east front service, wich KG53 matched.

and I hate units that just grabbs a name and dont know a shit about its real units history so ive started digging into it, creating realistic airplane skins and trying to keep it as historical as possible.

we have named ourself 5./KG53 to grab just a small unit of KG53 instead of the whole geschwader.

So ive started my research now, trying to find out as much as possible i can, but it seems we picked wrong unit for that :O

/Thomas

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Hi Trevor

I've checked again to be on the safe side and my sources, Ketley and Rolf and Karl Ries say KG 53.

Cheers

Chris

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Hi Chris,
I'm aware of both your sources but I still consider them suspect.
My information is taken from Vol 3 of the Boelcke Archiv by Walter Waiss, This is a four volume very detailed histoty of KG 27 (in German) and contains many photographs of the unit. There are three photos of this emblem clearly captioned 3./KG 27.
best wishesTrevor.

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

I know what you mean about Ketley and Rolf and Karl Ries. Much of Ketley and Rolfe follow Ries in their findings. However the confusion lies in that I think both units 9./KG 53 and 3./KG27 used similar emblems. I have the books you refer to above (not Volume 1 sadly) and but can only see one picture in Band III with the emblem you mean but it is a very clear picture. But the 3./KG 27 differs in detail to that of 9./KG 53 not only detail but in the colours employed and is a little bit more flamboyant (if you pardon the pun), see my illustration below

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Hi,

I have a question that has to do with the emblems of KG53.

I only know the "Gruppe" emblems and didn't know that each Staffel had his own emblem. Do the Staffels of Gruppe II all have the Gruppe emblem with a different bird inside the emblem? Or are all the emblem totally different from the gruppe emblems, like the pic of Staffel 9.?

Can someone maybe place pics or drawings of the different staffel emblems?

Thanks in advance and regards,

Thomas

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

I have these as 4 Staffel in 2 different variations.

I have deleted the others on this page as they all belong to JG 53:

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Hello,

As far I can remember, the last seven emblems were seen on Bf 109 E's of
JG 53, or am I wrong ?
Regards
Marc

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Thank you Marc you are correct, I've made a typo from the original source! They are Bf 109 JG 53 personal insignia. I have removed them all from this post and adjusted the text to save confusion, likewise I have deleted the other post for the same reason. Sorry to cause confusion.

Cheers

Chris

Re: 9/KG53 insgnia?
 

Not all of them. Axe is an emblem of stab II./JG52.

Regards

Robert