Luftwaffe losses 1940
 

Hi guys

Unfortunately I received no responses to my earlier requests regarding the loss of Oblt Seidel and Ltn Kupfer and their crews in July 1940 (still time, though!) but hopefully the following will be resolved.

13 July 1940: Ltn Lange of 9/JG51 shot down and killed. What was his first name?

1 August 1940: Was a Hs126 of 4(H)31 really the victim of RAF fighters off Hastings? If so, what was it doing in that location? Who was the crew?

11 August 1940: What were the full identities of the crew of Ju88 B3+BC of StabII/KG54 shot down on this date?

Cheers
Brian

Re: Luftwaffe losses 1940
 

Hello Brian,

From Siegfried Radtke's Chronik of KG54 he as the following for Stab II/KG54;

B3 + ?C (Portland)

Oblt Hans Schott Missing
Major Kurt Leonbardy missing
Ofw Hans Grunwald missing
Fw Arthur Böttcher killed

B3 + ?C (Portland)

Fw Herbert Basse missing
Oblt Werner Schade killed
Uffz Herbert Klatte POW
Fw Franz Bagus missing

There is one other Stab II/KG54 machine but that was coded B3 + DC of Oblt Welte.

Regards

Melvin

www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com

Re: Luftwaffe losses 1940
 

Brain,

Lt. Joachim Lange (from Prien, et al., Die Jagdfliegerverbände ...Teil 4/II)

Regards,

Tom

Re: Luftwaffe losses 1940
 

...and in respect to your last question, a Hs126 was lost and one was claimed. It was on an operational sortie and I do not have the crew names. I am afraid that I do not have the exact reason for its sortie

Re: Luftwaffe losses 1940
 

Many thanks for your responses Melvin, Tom and Chris - much appreciated.

Melvin - it was actually Welte's aircraft (I obviously had the incorrect marking), so do you have full names of him and his crew, please?

Also, did you receive my PM re your offer of F/f incidents?

Cheers
Brian

Re: Luftwaffe losses 1940
 

Hello Brian,

Here are the details from the Chronik of Siegfried Radtke;

FF Oblt Karl Welte POW (wounded)
BO Ofw Karl Meier POW
BF Gefr Walter Gehre POW

No mention of a fourth member of the crew? Can you PM me again, I did not get your last one, have had problems with my PC lately!

Regards

Melvin

Re: Luftwaffe losses 1940
 

Melvin

My error! I did not PM you - I was looking in the wrong file!

Anyway, thanks for the latest.

Cheers
Brian

Re: Luftwaffe losses 1940
 

..see Avions magazine issue 87 - article by Peter Taghon entitled 'Hs 126 against England' ..I don't have it to hand unfortunately

Re: Luftwaffe losses 1940
 

4th crewman from the Welte crew was Kagerbauer-I contacted him some years ago and have an account/photos

Re: Luftwaffe losses 1940
 

Unfortunately the Avions article does not have the 126's crew names ''helas! pas les noms ''. It does note the loss Of Sub Lt Kestin in the incident quoting 10 miles south of Hastings. The Luft Qm's list shows the loss of the 126 with no crew names so I assume they would be NCO's.

Re: Luftwaffe losses 1940
 

Many thanks Brian, most helpful for both queries.

'Diver' will be out soon!

Cheers
Brian

Re: Luftwaffe losses 1940
 

Just got a reply from WAST the Hs126 on 1st August of 4(H)/31 was shown as being on a Kustenuberwachungsflug (unlauts over the u's) Would this be a coastal patrol flight ? Crew are shown as Fw.d.Res Ullrich Trusen, and Uffz.d.Res Werner Schulze missing from Feindflug. Uffz Schulze is then shown as buried on 13.08.1940 at the Ostfriedhof in Boulogne.

Re: Luftwaffe losses 1940
 

Yes, this could be translate as coastal patrol flight.

Regards

Robert

Re: Luftwaffe losses 1940
 

Thanks Robert,

Regards,

Brian Bines

Re: Luftwaffe losses 1940
 

Excellent Brian

Many thanks for sharing this information.

Best

Brian