ME-109 JG 54
 

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Alain,

Peter Cornwell's Battle of France book puts this belly landing on 29 May 1940 and with II./JG53.....

No name given for pilot, who was safe.

Groet,

Leendert

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A hard to read JG54 list shows 29-5-40 Ltn Siegfried Schmidt g III, and in ink what looks like N Cambrai ( according to the Osprey booklet the unit was I/JG21 becoming III/JG54 on 6-Jun-40). The small 'g' after Schmidt indicates prisoner of war.

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Thanks Brian and Leendert

Alain

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This Schmitt seems something pretty new , Brian, is there someone else that could confirm, in Prien not seems to appear

Remi

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Remi I am afraid the list is all I have, the Osprey booklet says I/JG21 ( III/54) lost Fw Harting killed with two other pilots making crash landings in late May. The list I have shows 25-5-40 Gef. Rudolf Dabelow m, 26-5-40 Fw Rudolf Hartwich shot down Dunkirk taken prisoner but died, and 29-5-40 Ltn Siegfried Schmidt prisoner,

Regards

Brian Bines

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Hi

Lt. Siegfried Schmidt was captured on the 22. Mai 1940 by Cambrai.

Dabelow was from the I./JG 76 and was killed.

Fw. Fridolin Hartwich was missing in a combat in the area of Cambrai, on the 26. Mai 1940. He was from the 1.Staffel I./JG 21. Some month later came the report that he was killed.

The pilot from the 30. Mai 1940 was possibly Uffz. Richard Woick from the 2.Staffel of the I./JG 21. He had a accident in Guise.

Greetings Christian

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Hi Christian,

Thanks for the corrections, as regards Dabelow he is showm as Gruppe III on my list which I thought was formed from I/JG21, with I/JG76 later being formed into II/JG54. Is you info. definetly correct as to his unit,

Thanks

Brian Bines

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Brian, was kind enought to send me the list,
There is some differences with the usual list it name Wagner the Walter lost in 12.mai, it add the 2 losses on 21.june Baukus +Wolz just found in this List , nd in the Rosipal List, gave some Christian names where they are missing , give Knobel+Hilmer+Cercenski possibly 3 MIA when Hamsteede was bombed on 24.july, the more interesting is maybe the loss of Oblt Schön anton dead in.. Tilbury Holland ??? An AdI/AIK report gave at that date a loss near Canterbury without name is it the same loss ???

At last, on 29.june appear a dead man of III.JG54 NAME PRETTY HARD TO READ seems a gefr. ....inbs maybe Wagneninbs , look like as a monkey has use the Keyboard..

Remi

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Remi, Oblt Schon crashed and was killed attempting a crash landing at Brenley House, Broughton, near Canterbury. Tilbury is on the north side of the Thames some 20 miles east of London,

Regards

Brian Bines

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Oblt Schon crashed and was killed attempting a crash landing at Brenley House, Broughton, near Canterbury. Tilbury is on the north side of the Thames some 20 miles east of London,


On 29.th ???




on 29.june appear a dead man of III.JG54 NAME PRETTY HARD TO READ seems a gefr. ....inbs maybe Wagneninbs

No cues ???

Remi

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Oblt. Anton Schon + 27th-Sept-40, The best I can make of the other name is '29-6-40 Gefr. Wagner?inbs gefallen III '.

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Hello Brian

Is there any AIR something for the loss of Schön ???

Remi

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Hello Remi,

All I have is the ref. In the Blitz Then and Now Vol 2 which indicates Schon's aircraft may have been damaged in combat over Tilbury by Sgt. Norwell of 41 Sqd. or shot down by P/O Lewis of 249Sqd. Either way he was killed attempting a forced-landing near Canterbury.
AIR22/226 ''Location of Enemy Aircraft Bourght Down'' may have a brief report on his crash, I have a couple of reports but not for the 27th.Sept.

Regards

Brian