Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/index.php)
-   Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/forumdisplay.php?f=8)
-   -   Some parts of Fw 190 (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=14393)

szukajacy 6th September 2008 00:30

Some parts of Fw 190
 
1 Attachment(s)
During exploration near Szczebrzeszyn (SE of Lublin, Poland, nearby ex luftwaffe airfield in Klemensów) I' ve found some parts of plane that had crashed here in summer of '44. Residents I' ve talked with were sure that it was German plane shot down by russian fighter. After receiving some hits german plane turned into a ball of flame, made a 3/4 of circle, and crushed into a gulley in nearbay coppice (pilot died in flames). Few years ago elements of plane such as wing, engine, gauges etc has been sold, so, excluding very lovable people ( ;-) ), I' ve nothing in local households. My metal detector found only small piece of that bird. I' m not sure it is Fw 190 but one of witnesses told me plane had one, round (that mean radial) engine so it could be truth. As I lend my camera I've got only paint pictures. One of the elements is especially interesting but it's bent and rusty.
Any ideas?

I also wonder which unit was this plane from. It's hard to outgess and I have no archive files. Could someone help?

szukajacy 9th September 2008 01:05

Re: Some parts of Fw 190
 
Hi

in connection with that matter I need to know something more about those pilots and will be very thankful if someone help:
HAKER Theodor, SG 77, 25.07.1944
KUNZ Werner, JG 11, 27.07.1944
HASSE Heinz, JG 54, 27.07.1944

One of them could be "the driver" of our plane. Especially I'm interested in places where they crashed.

And here you have photos I've promissed:

Part 1- weight: 100g, lenght: 28- 30 cm

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4823/foka1yu4.th.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5494/foka2ap0.th.jpg
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/9721/foka3cq4.th.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7773/foka4ne6.th.jpg

Part 2- weight: 500g, lenght: 30- 35 cm

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2946/foka5fq8.th.jpg
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/641/foka6ay0.th.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8861/foka7jz9.th.jpg

Part 3- weight: few grams, lenght about 10 cm, you can see rests of RLM

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6044/foka8fl6.th.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5118/foka9sa8.th.jpg

Part 4- weigh: 300g, lenght 12 cm, broken

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/732/foka10cc1.th.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/757/foka11vw4.th.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8...ka12yt1.th.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7581/foka13il9.th.jpg

Part 5- weight: 200g, lenght 25 cm

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2137/foka16ws5.th.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8963/foka15tr8.th.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8...ka18bn6.th.jpg
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/2...ka17wh9.th.jpg

Regards

RT 11th September 2008 13:43

Re: Some parts of Fw 190
 
11 JG11 Deblin raum X FW190A-8 730932 100 x Kunz werner MIA
6 JG54 PQ 12487 LFK FW190A 100 x Haase heinz Killed
PQ12487 Somewhere 5 km südl. Deblin

Where hv you found Haker ???

Remi

markjsheppard 11th September 2008 15:37

Re: Some parts of Fw 190
 
RT

Definately looks like some parts from a BMW 801 radial engine - so Fw190 is a possibility as well as a few month types.

regards

MS

Tony Kambic 11th September 2008 15:53

Re: Some parts of Fw 190
 
Photo #4 appears to be the rocker arm head cover at the top of each cylinder.


http://www.fockewulf190.com/gallerie...Engine061.html

szukajacy 13th September 2008 01:39

Re: Some parts of Fw 190
 
First of all, I' d like to thank each of you! Frankly speaking after few days since I wrote this post and noone had asnwer me I've lost any hope to solve that mystery. Now I know why this forum is such incredible place- there is no question can hide :)

Our part 4th really looks like the part found by Tony. At least I'm sure those are parts of BMW 801 (previously I had to check all the elements of plane, thousands of parts and hundreds of pages of the manual). Now I need to recognize the rest. It could be difficult as those could be parts placed inside of engine. Impossible to notice in the photos.

@RT
Haker is from the Ostfront LW losses list I've got from my friend. As it turned out the pilot died in ... the West. So it must be a mistake in the document. Next two pilots you recognized are connected with Deblin. Unfortunately it's to far :( To have sure it was a pilot of our plane he should crashed between July and August '44 near places like Zamosc (Zamocz) or Klemensow.
So I have three men less to check ;)

Franek Grabowski 13th September 2008 04:02

Re: Some parts of Fw 190
 
This would be rather a ground attack aircraft from one of SGs. A number of them crashed in SE Poland.

RT 13th September 2008 12:32

Re: Some parts of Fw 190
 
Hello Stuzajacy
i sent you a private message..

Remi

szukajacy 13th September 2008 13:48

Re: Some parts of Fw 190
 
Hello

@Franek

Your suspicions could be true. As I know, the accident happen when Klemensów airfield was in Russian hands. It's very possible that retreating Germans launched attack on enemy air base using SG unit.
Now I'm wondering is it possible to find out something more about that unit and plane?


@RT

Thanks for the message. You'll receive my reply soon.

szukajacy 13th September 2008 23:17

Re: Some parts of Fw 190
 
During the restoration of part nr 4 I've noticed some mysterious numbers and letters on the interior side. As it's broken and there is a lot of material missing I can only recognize this:

...L- UDAI (in fact it's something like I, C or L) - S ? - ? ?
...0- 30523
...01 2536 (small size)

Hoffmans 23rd September 2008 22:27

Re: Some parts of Fw 190
 
hello.

...L- UDAI (in fact it's something like I, C or L) - S ? - ? ?
...0- 30523
...01 2536 (small size)

UD Al-Si-Cu
9-801 300- 30523
9-Bw-801-2536

BMW801 cylinder valve cover.


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 19:45.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net