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edwest 19th September 2008 22:10

Photos 9-19
 
Me 109
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=190252839697
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=270277558303
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=270277508391

Misc.
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=170263297456
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=260287878402
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=260287871947
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=160284113463
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=190252840187
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=190252839692
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=190252838067
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=190252838059
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=120306752029
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=120306668626

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=290261346490
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=290261347757
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=260289127148
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=310084928531
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=290261348890
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=130256340665
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=260288164904
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=320301251033
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=320301250988
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=310084607632

Photo group
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=110290870386


Usual disclaimer,
Ed

richardb 20th September 2008 09:57

Re: Photos 9-19
 
Thank you ED !

A very good pic of a Schleicher " Rhönadler 35 " with a modified nose (fairing for the tug device )
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=160284113463

ChrisS 20th September 2008 11:07

Re: Photos 9-19
 
Thanks again Ed for all you do for us!

obdl3945 20th September 2008 13:24

Re: Photos 9-19
 
Great seaplane photos in the 'photo group' link... :)

edwest 21st September 2008 03:08

Re: Photos 9-19
 
You're welcome. I learn a lot also. It is like looking for treasure.




Regards,
Ed

F19Gladiator 21st September 2008 13:42

Re: Photos 9-19
 
Thanks Ed!

A photo of a Bf 109 F displaying the emblem of the 2."Blauen Staffel" of Escuadrilla Azul in Russia.

More can be read here (in Spanish) and also more photos (note 2 pages):
http://www.zweiterweltkrieg.org/phpB...t=1251&start=0

......and we have a thread here at the LEMB forum:
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/fo...showtopic=4907

Cheers
Goran

F19Gladiator 21st September 2008 13:47

Re: Photos 9-19
 
The same photo with the same back side text was also sold 29.04.2008.
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...ayphotohosting
The emblem of 1./JG 26 visible.......

Br
Goran

bn785371 21st September 2008 14:56

Re: Photos 9-19
 
Noticed that also,it is the third time that photo is beeing sold,soon after the first sell it appeared in Luftwaffe im Focus (nr.6?)

F19Gladiator 21st September 2008 19:11

Re: Photos 9-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bn785371 (Post 73614)
Noticed that also,it is the third time that photo is beeing sold,soon after the first sell it appeared in Luftwaffe im Focus (nr.6?)

Yes, you're right,
I have also noticed the correlation between photos being published in Luftwaffe im Focus and soon after surfacing at an ebay.de auction. Can be a plausible explanation for the occurance but I've noticed the pattern.
I have also noted the same with some other German pubications ;)
Br
Goran

Falcon 22nd September 2008 17:47

Re: Photos 9-19
 
No way... keep your attention. The photos are different. Look at the position of the man in the cockpit. ;)

The position of the photographer is nearly exactly the same.

Here is an other example for fixed photo positions and other peoples. ;)

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=130257036490

http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=5058

Regards...

F19Gladiator 22nd September 2008 19:46

Re: Photos 9-19
 
Hi 'Falcon',
I am not 100% sure what you are reacting on.
I can only certify that my statement above "The same photo with the same back side text was also sold 29.04.2008." is correct.
I have checked the photos as well as the back side text and they are congruent.

You are, however, correct in that the two photos published on page 32 and 33 in Luftwaffe im Focus Edition 6/2004 are displaying two other similar but different photos. The two photos in the publication are also in turn very similar two each other, but once again two different photos.

I also stand by my view that photos published in some German publications I regulary buy or subscribe to not seldom are soon after found at ebay.de, but this can have "natural" causes. Perhaps sold after an agreement that the publisher can first use them in a publication or the publishers or authors themselves sell the photos to keep their bank account on black figures???

Personally I don't care as I don't buy from ebay at all. It is a mere reflection on events over the years.

Kind regards,

Göran Larsson

Falcon 22nd September 2008 20:08

Re: Photos 9-19
 
Hi Göran,

sorry I have overseen that you was meaning the back side text. 8-|

The photos are not cheap, you know it. So the publishers buy them for many money, scanning them. After that they publish them and sell them. So they have a part of the money back. I think thats ok.
"Copyright"? There is mostly no "Copyright", because the photographer is not known. So they risk to break the "Urheber" rules.
I wish I can scan them all to put them for free use for all on my website, but this is only a dream. Thanks to the commercial publishers. ;-)

bn785371 22nd September 2008 20:55

Re: Photos 9-19
 
The last sentence is nonsense,not all buyers are publishers,you should know better!

Falcon 22nd September 2008 21:14

Re: Photos 9-19
 
Sure, René. Then it will be better a "publisher" get it, as a private collector and the photo will lost in a private treasure chest and no one will see it anymore. ;)

F10_Chainsaw 22nd September 2008 21:46

Re: Photos 9-19
 
In other words, if I find a picture from WWII that I want to use for ex a homepage or a write upp, can I just grab it as the dude who took the pic from begining is dead by now?

/Thomas

Falcon 22nd September 2008 22:27

Re: Photos 9-19
 
You can risk it, because in 99% no one will have a chance to prove to be the copyright holder. Thats the way that imho the most commercial publishers go with german ww2 photos. And after publishing they try to hold the "copyrights" that they never had.

Thats my personal opinion. ;)

Btw, in germany the lawfully copyright holder (in german "Urheber) have to prove that he have the copyright. If he cant to that the law will not give him the rights. Who can clearly prove after 50 years and more that he was taking this one picture?
Its to complicated for me to explain it with my poor school english. I hope you understand it? ;)

bn785371 22nd September 2008 23:37

Re: Photos 9-19
 
When something is bought it is called privat ownership,the owner dicedes whatever to do with,if he wants to publish,the better for us and directly paying by bying the book or magazine,but on the otherwise taking a copy without asking and distribute it around the world even with the law on your side seems very odd to me.

F10_Chainsaw 23rd September 2008 01:47

Re: Photos 9-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcon (Post 73684)
You can risk it, because in 99% no one will have a chance to prove to be the copyright holder. Thats the way that imho the most commercial publishers go with german ww2 photos. And after publishing they try to hold the "copyrights" that they never had.

Thats my personal opinion. ;)

Btw, in germany the lawfully copyright holder (in german "Urheber) have to prove that he have the copyright. If he cant to that the law will not give him the rights. Who can clearly prove after 50 years and more that he was taking this one picture?
Its to complicated for me to explain it with my poor school english. I hope you understand it? ;)

Got it cristal clear, thanks mate :)

/Thomas

Falcon 23rd September 2008 16:54

Re: Photos 9-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bn785371 (Post 73686)
When something is bought it is called privat ownership,the owner dicedes whatever to do with,if he wants to publish,the better for us and directly paying by buying the book or magazine,but on the otherwise taking a copy without asking and distribute it around the world even with the law on your side seems very odd to me.

And thats the point what you go wrong. In germany you CANT buy the copyright. Only the photograph or the lawfuly heirs have this rights for publishing. Only this peoples can give the ok for publishing. The publisher get no rights.
When you buy a german photo at ebay and you don't know the copyright holder, you cant publish the photos with rights. What you not got you cant fight. Its easy.

Example: An author buy a photo for xxx $ at ebay from a trader. The author dont know the copyright holder (Urheber). He publish this photo somewhere. An other people copy this photo from his publication and do what ever with it. The author has no chance to win a fight for the rights, because he is not the lawfuly copyright holder. ;)

And btw, if a photo has lost his german copyright protection (25, 50 or 70 years), it will be free to use for all. If someone pay for a free item, what he is? He has to much money or he is stupid. :)


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